Medical Student here looking to jump ship... Forum

[MysticalWheel]

Gosh, I'm not even out the door yet!

Sorry to break it to you, but I kind of already won the argument; you can tell yourself whatever you need to. I never redefined anything: go look up "law" in a dictionary, and you'll see that there are probably more than 20 entries. The word is not quarantined to written text that is enforced by police and courts. Once again, you are thinking one-dimensionally, only in the present context. The funny thing is that I don't even need the American Revolution example: law is more important, overall, to SOCIETY than medicine- period.

MW

And to think that I was taking you seriously.

If that's your way of conceding the argument, I accept. It's funny to think how the "to think I was taking you seriously" line would actually work in a professional setting, LOL.

"The dictionary is not a valid source for citing definitions of words."

ROFL- I've never seen someone lose an argument so badly.

MW

[MysticalWheel]

Not disputing anyones claim really but there can't be any society without medicine (in its most basic sense) either -- If I was on a desert island and my SO got pregnant and went into labor both she and my child would both die bc I'd have no idea what to do hence ending out society. I know it is overly simplistic but that is a very broad view of law as well to include all social regulation and control.

Oh, and that's why I referenced the Black Death: it is often cited as the worst biological disaster in human history, at a time when medicine was next to non-existent. Did humanity cease to exist? Did everyone die? Uh...no. Europe bounced right back 100 years later. This supports the conclusion that medicine is not necessary to the survival of human society.

MW

[mrmangs]

"The dictionary is not a valid source for citing definitions of words."

ROFL- I've never seen someone lose an argument so badly.

MW[/quote]

Haven't you read Quine? (Yes, I'm being facetious.)

[MysticalWheel]

Haven't you read Quine? (Yes, I'm being facetious.)

I have not studied his linguistic theory, no, but I have 2 of his books waiting to be read. Thanks for reminding me!

MW

[005618502]

Why is this thread still going?

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[MysticalWheel]

Why is this thread still going?

/thread

Because there are those on here (who shall not be named...Voldemort) that do not understand that law is more important, overall, to society than medicine is. No one is saying that medicine is unimportant, only that it is less important.

MW

[DoubleChecks]

I now know what I want from Santa this Christmas. Sweet.

[005618502]

I now know what I want from Santa this Christmas. Sweet.

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[er doctor]

I love how all the 1Ls and 2Ls in this thread are arguing against law school, and a lot of the 0Ls are encouraging him to drop med school and go to law school.

Exactly. 0L is bliss.

Is your handle a reference to Brothers K?

People are making this way too black and white. If he genuinely wants to be a lawyer, I would wholeheartedly recommend going to HYS for law over any med school. The other thing is that a lot of the 1L and 2L's in here fail to realize that the truth is that there is traditional profession where it's all roses--period. If that's what you are looking for you are living in a dream world. As a previous poster mentioned, doctors spend years in residency only making 40-50K while they have to make payments on 200K + loans. On top of that medical school is 4 years and downright grueling. People keep pointing out lawyers low job satisfaction, the reality is that modern day doctors are experiencing the same thing. On top of that unless you are a specialist (which is becoming extraordinarily competitive) the money in medicine isn't nearly as "models and bottles" as many of you are making it out to be. I've got a family friend who's a doctor who is just plain getting exhausted with it. Between sky high malpractice insurance, constantly having to take tests to stay certified, and the hours that can come with the truly big dollar doctor positions (ie surgeons) it's not all roses like many on here think it is.

I can also tell that a lot of people in here don't realize just how much more difficult med school is than law school--it's absolutely grueling. The material is much more difficult. The most important thing that people are missing is that medicine is supposed to be an altruistic profession--almost a calling. If someone has doubts about being a doctor, even moreso than if they have doubts about being a lawyer, they shouldn't do it. The last thing people need is doctors who don't really love what they are doing and who are doing more for the money. It's one thing to be a lawyer or a business man for the money, it's something entirely different to be a doctor and have that as your motivation;You are handling people's literal lives.

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[DoctorNo]

op... do what you want. If you are going to be miserable being a doctor, and hating your life, then dont do it. Yes its nice to have a job, but as a doctor you wont automaticallly be making huge money right away. The medical profession has its own issues- burnout, substance abuse and mental illness( these issues can be found in all professions). If you know its not for you, then its not for you.

In the end, whatever you decide- just remember that you have to live with yourself for the rest of your life. Im sure you dont want to be miserable, so dont stay withsoemthing even though you dont like it just because strangers on an internet forum think medical school is the greatest thing ever.

Already 3/3 on those issues. Burned out in high school after perfect SATs, gave up on college, substance abuse throughout, and likely depression. The hallmarks of a great doctor!

[DoctorNo]

I love how all the 1Ls and 2Ls in this thread are arguing against law school, and a lot of the 0Ls are encouraging him to drop med school and go to law school.

Exactly. 0L is bliss.

Is your handle a reference to Brothers K?

People are making this way too black and white. If he genuinely wants to be a lawyer, I would wholeheartedly recommend going to HYS for law over any med school. The other thing is that a lot of the 1L and 2L's in here fail to realize that the truth is that there is traditional profession where it's all roses--period. If that's what you are looking for you are living in a dream world. As a previous poster mentioned, doctors spend years in residency only making 40-50K while they have to make payments on 200K + loans. On top of that medical school is 4 years and downright grueling. People keep pointing out lawyers low job satisfaction, the reality is that modern day doctors are experiencing the same thing. On top of that unless you are a specialist (which is becoming extraordinarily competitive) the money in medicine isn't nearly as "models and bottles" as many of you are making it out to be. I've got a family friend who's a doctor who is just plain getting exhausted with it. Between sky high malpractice insurance, constantly having to take tests to stay certified, and the hours that can come with the truly big dollar doctor positions (ie surgeons) it's not all roses like many on here think it is.

I can also tell that a lot of people in here don't realize just how much more difficult med school is than law school--it's absolutely grueling. The material is much more difficult. The most important thing that people are missing is that medicine is supposed to be an altruistic profession--almost a calling. If someone has doubts about being a doctor, even moreso than if they have doubts about being a lawyer, they shouldn't do it. The last thing people need is doctors who don't really love what they are doing and who are doing more for the money. It's one thing to be a lawyer or a business man for the money, it's something entirely different to be a doctor and have that as your motivation;You are handling people's literal lives.

You've successfully enumerated every single thought I've had about medical school in a single post. Bravo, and thank you for saving me the effort.

The idea of continuing medical education literally makes me sick to my stomach.

[Stringer Bell]

I've just skimmed through this thread, but in the "law vs. medicine: Which is more important for a progressive society?" debate, I actually side with MW to an extent. Order in a society is a step that needs to be established before it can reap the benefits of medicine. That's why so many African nations are in such terrible shape. They don't have law and order. Contracts/property rights/etc. are worthless.

OP,

I think the sentiment of not doing anything rash is credited. Medicine is a better career choice than law, but it wouldn't be insane to opt for the latter if that's where your ambition and talent lies. I would make sure you are going to be able to do well on the LSAT and REALLY know what you are getting into before making any sort of decision to leave medical school. Also, the advice of getting your MD and then pursuing a JD is probably TCR here.

[northwood]

OP: from reading your posts, its pretty clear that your mind is made up. I would suggest taking a leave of absence for the spring, studying for the June LSAT and then depending on how you score ( and if you need to make the decision before late june based on your pt scores) transition yourself to law school. Its clear that you've made your decision about medical school, take the time to analyze and game plan your next career choice.

[chup]

The exchange between Ragged and MysticalWheel reminds me of the Large Hadron Collider.

Except with retarded people, instead of particles.

[IAFG]

The exchange between Ragged and MysticalWheel reminds me of the Large Hadron Collider.

Except with retarded people, instead of particles.

large hadron collider has a contending spot at mostawesomethingever.com. i don't how it isn't #1.

[chup]

The exchange between Ragged and MysticalWheel reminds me of the Large Hadron Collider.

Except with retarded people, instead of particles.

/prepares for 18 paragraphs of rambling accusations about how I need to read David Hume or something.

[whymeohgodno]

The exchange between Ragged and MysticalWheel reminds me of the Large Hadron Collider.

Except with retarded people, instead of particles.

/prepares for 18 paragraphs of rambling accusations about how I need to read David Hume or something.

Well people are made up of particles so...

[MysticalWheel]

The exchange between Ragged and MysticalWheel reminds me of the Large Hadron Collider.

Except with retarded people, instead of particles.

/prepares for 18 paragraphs of rambling accusations about how I need to read David Hume or something.

I was thinking Rousseau or Reid...but Hume could work, lol.

MW

[JazzOne]

The exchange between Ragged and MysticalWheel reminds me of the Large Hadron Collider.

Except with retarded people, instead of particles.

lol

Isn't that TLS in general? It's the world's largest retard collider.

[MysticalWheel]

The exchange between Ragged and MysticalWheel reminds me of the Large Hadron Collider.

Except with retarded people, instead of particles.

lol

Isn't that TLS in general? It's the world's largest retard collider.

I don't really see what's "retarded" about basic argumentation.

MW

[MrKappus]

I don't really see what's "retarded" about basic argumentation.

MW

In this particular instance...you.

[IAFG]

The exchange between Ragged and MysticalWheel reminds me of the Large Hadron Collider.

Except with retarded people, instead of particles.

/prepares for 18 paragraphs of rambling accusations about how I need to read David Hume or something.

I was thinking Rousseau or Reid...but Hume could work, lol.

MW

What I lack in sexual experiences, I make up for smugness on the Internet.

MW

ftfy

[joemoviebuff]

The exchange between Ragged and MysticalWheel reminds me of the Large Hadron Collider.

Except with retarded people, instead of particles.

/prepares for 18 paragraphs of rambling accusations about how I need to read David Hume or something.

I was thinking Rousseau or Reid...but Hume could work, lol.

MW

What I lack in sexual experiences, I make up for smugness on the Internet.

MW

ftfy

[MysticalWheel]

I don't really see what's "retarded" about basic argumentation.

MW

In this particular instance...you.

Well, I guess it's true what they say. Those that can't do...throw insults around, lol.

MW

[MysticalWheel]

/prepares for 18 paragraphs of rambling accusations about how I need to read David Hume or something.

I was thinking Rousseau or Reid...but Hume could work, lol.

MW

What I lack in sexual experiences, I make up for smugness on the Internet.

MW

ftfy

Way off. I wonder how funny it'll be for you guys when you're looking at barely breaking into the top 10% of your class at...Chicago, or worse, NYU! lol.
MW