Eliminating the LSAT?

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Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby whymeohgodno » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:50 pm

Listen at 42:00?

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7_xHsce57c

I'm stupid.
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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby vanwinkle » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:53 pm

Listen to what at 42:00?

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby JazzOne » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:55 pm

It's the admissions hysteria. Gets 'em every year. Almost as fun as LSAT score release.
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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby whymeohgodno » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:55 pm

vanwinkle wrote:Listen to what at 42:00?


42:05 actually.

The guy talks about some debate which would no longer require schools to use the LSAT. He also says that he's "been told" that it will pass.

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby vanwinkle » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:56 pm

whymeohgodno wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:Listen to what at 42:00?

42:05 actually.

Dude. 42:05 of what?

What the fuck are you talking about?

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby JazzOne » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:56 pm

whymeohgodno wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:Listen to what at 42:00?


42:05 actually.

The guy talks about some debate which would no longer require schools to use the LSAT. He also says that he's "been told" that it will pass.

lol

Thanks for the clarification. That five second differential was crucial.

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby whymeohgodno » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:57 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
whymeohgodno wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:Listen to what at 42:00?

42:05 actually.

Dude. 42:05 of what?

What the fuck are you talking about?


Edited :oops: :oops:

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby JazzOne » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:59 pm

It says schools won't be required to use the LSAT. Most will probably continue to use it.

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby bergg007 » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:01 pm

TTT's drop it fast though. LSAC will fight this and they have a voice in the ABA for sure.

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby vanwinkle » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:05 pm

I was kinda wondering if this might be the video you were talking about. I remember it being a big deal back in February when it first came out.

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby Yale Piano » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:05 pm


Interesting talk about the history of the LSAT.

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby stratocophic » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:06 pm

bergg007 wrote:TTT's drop it fast though. LSAC will fight this and they have a voice in the ABA for sure.
+1 Think about which schools have the most interest and the most to gain from seeing the disappearance of a psychological and (small, but existent) financial barrier to entering law school. Here's a hint: it ain't Harvard. Although TBF Berkeley'll probably get rid of theirs just so TLS can't make fun of them from for being a TTT any more. However, since it'll mostly just be them and the TTTs, this strategy is likely to be ineffective.

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby whymeohgodno » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:08 pm

stratocophic wrote:
bergg007 wrote:TTT's drop it fast though. LSAC will fight this and they have a voice in the ABA for sure.
+1 Think about which schools have the most interest and the most to gain from seeing the disappearance of a psychological and (small, but existent) financial barrier to entering law school. Here's a hint: it ain't Harvard. Although TBF Berkeley'll probably get rid of theirs just so TLS can't make fun of them from being a TTT any more. However, since it'll mostly just be them and the TTTs, this strategy is likely to be ineffective.


Lol'd. TLS still makes fun of GeorgeTTTown with their 170 LSAT median though.

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby 09042014 » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:14 pm

bergg007 wrote:TTT's drop it fast though. LSAC will fight this and they have a voice in the ABA for sure.


It already began. NorthwesTTTern takes GMAT instead.

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby The Gentleman » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:28 pm

I say eliminate the LSAT and have all law schools operate like Cooley. Anybody can get in, but the bottom 50% of the class is flunked out after every semester. By the time graduation rolls around, only 1 out of 100 students will still be enrolled. Consider this exponential decrease:

- 1000 students enroll
- 500 remain after Fall 1L
- 250 remain after Spring 1L
- roughly 120 remain after Fall 2L
- roughly 60 remain after Spring 2L
- roughly 30 remain after Fall 3L
- 10-15 are left standing after Spring 3L.

Nearly everyboby wins. Law schools get crazy tuition money, employers get the cream of the crop, and every graduating JD has five offers from V100 firms. Just make sure you're above median at the end of every semester and everything will work out just fine...

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby AreJay711 » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:33 pm

It would be a win-win (except for regular people that need legal services) but most good schools have endowments enough that they aren't worried about the money as much as reputation.

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby JazzOne » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:34 pm

The Gentleman wrote:I say eliminate the LSAT and have all law schools operate like Cooley. Anybody can get in, but the bottom 50% of the class is flunked out after every semester. By the time graduation rolls around, only 1 out of 100 students will still be enrolled. Consider this exponential decrease:

- 1000 students enroll
- 500 remain after Fall 1L
- 250 remain after Spring 1L
- roughly 120 remain after Fall 2L
- roughly 60 remain after Spring 2L
- roughly 30 remain after Fall 3L
- 10-15 are left standing after Spring 3L.

Nearly everyboby wins. Law schools get crazy tuition money, employers get the cream of the crop, and every graduating JD has five offers from V100 firms. Just make sure you're above median at the end of every semester and everything will work out just fine...

lol

I would like to see an even more personalized form of competition. Perhaps they should announce 1:1 matches before the semester, so it's just you and someone else heads up for one spot to advance. Law school could be like a single elimination tournament.

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby The Gentleman » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:45 pm

JazzOne wrote:Perhaps they should announce 1:1 matches before the semester, so it's just you and someone else heads up for one spot to advance. Law school could be like a single elimination tournament.


LOL

URMs and those who attended prestigious UGs (HYP) would get a first round bye.

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby JazzOne » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:52 pm

The Gentleman wrote:
JazzOne wrote:Perhaps they should announce 1:1 matches before the semester, so it's just you and someone else heads up for one spot to advance. Law school could be like a single elimination tournament.


LOL

URMs and those who attended prestigious UGs (HYP) would get a first round bye.

lol

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby motiontodismiss » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:32 am

No way, never. It's the only shot I have of getting into a T14, given my TTT GPA.

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby r6_philly » Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:57 am

motiontodismiss wrote:No way, never. It's the only shot I have of getting into a T14, given my TTT GPA.


I guess that's the motivation behind getting rid of it. You could do 4 years of median level work and score a 180 and instantly become top 0.1%. LSAC won't let you repeat courses without penalty but you can retake and game the questions.

ETA: this statement is not directed at you personally.

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby plenipotentiary » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:14 am

This is the video that cemented my decision to apply to UVA! I heart Alex Johnson. Also, it gave me a whole new appreciation for the LSAT. I think that most good law schools will continue to use the LSAT because the LSAT is awesome.

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Re: Eliminating the LSAT?

Postby northwood » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:17 am

i like the elimination style.

however, since there are so many schools, every 3 years the schools themselves should be forced to put their accrediation on the line. If they lose, then people who are about to graduate will still get the degree, but it wont be of much value.




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