Big law is ballin', but...

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby prezidentv8 » Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:55 pm

canuck wrote:Point is, it was a valid point that many of us already study more than we would work at big law.


I don't care what kind of grades you're going for - how can this possibly be necessary?

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby Renzo » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:27 pm

canuck wrote:Take a look at this great article --LinkRemoved--

There is a strong demand for lawyers in small towns in Canada. Doesn't the idea of living in a small town, setting your own hours, having time for family and recreation, and still pulling about six figures appeal to any of you?

This definitely has me thinking about studying in Canada. The big law NYC dream is nice, but all the horror stories about 80 work weeks and general hating of life is making me think long and hard.

What does everyone think?

LOL at thinking Canada really exists. Next you'll be telling me they need lawyers in Narnia.

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby ResolutePear » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:22 pm

Renzo wrote:
canuck wrote:Take a look at this great article --LinkRemoved--

There is a strong demand for lawyers in small towns in Canada. Doesn't the idea of living in a small town, setting your own hours, having time for family and recreation, and still pulling about six figures appeal to any of you?

This definitely has me thinking about studying in Canada. The big law NYC dream is nice, but all the horror stories about 80 work weeks and general hating of life is making me think long and hard.

What does everyone think?

LOL at thinking Canada really exists. Next you'll be telling me they need lawyers in Narnia.


They do. That lion is going to get fucked in jail without one.

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby crazycanuck » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:35 pm

Renzo wrote:
canuck wrote:Take a look at this great article --LinkRemoved--

There is a strong demand for lawyers in small towns in Canada. Doesn't the idea of living in a small town, setting your own hours, having time for family and recreation, and still pulling about six figures appeal to any of you?

This definitely has me thinking about studying in Canada. The big law NYC dream is nice, but all the horror stories about 80 work weeks and general hating of life is making me think long and hard.

What does everyone think?

LOL at thinking Canada really exists. Next you'll be telling me they need lawyers in Narnia.


I guess you've never read the voyage of the Dawn Tredder when they visit some of the outlying islands and the governor there?

Also,

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxfb1L-hMxU

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby canuck » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:51 pm

This is all I have to say to any Canada-haters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0tnKCHp ... re=related
:wink:

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Postby AreJay711 » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:56 pm

canuck wrote:This is all I have to say to any Canada-haters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0tnKCHp ... re=related
:wink:


Yeah, Canadians are better at hockey but most Americans who like hockey are just in it for the hits and the blood and/or (in the case of D.C) because it is the one sport we don't suck at. Our national pride was nowhere even close to being on the line in that game.

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby bigkahuna2020 » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:05 pm

canuck wrote:
bigkahuna2020 wrote:
canuck wrote:
Maybe you need to learn how to work properly. I love my job and generally like studying too (though around exam time it is rather stressful).

Also, I'm in the 99th GPA percentile at a top 20 world ranking school, so I would suggest my study habits are pretty solid


You study hard at McGill? It isn't exactly all THAT hard for most people...I mean your 4.0 ain't EASY but -the Arts curriculum at McGill isn't the hardest

Studying never compares to work. Not even intensive research compares to work done well. Studying is about getting it right, not just putting in the hours, it's totally different.


Of course but who is to suggest I'm not getting it right? Anyways this discussion is not about my study habits, nor the difficulty any uni.

Point is, it was a valid point that many of us already study more than we would work at big law
. I of course don't want to work this much my entire life, but we'll see what happens.


See that is where I disagree. Just because you are doing them for the same amount of time means nothing. I could work 100 hours a week videogame testing, but is that comparable to, say, flying a plane for 100 hours a week? Building law cases and files is far far more demanding, and rigidly organized---it is more exhausting and demanding as a result

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby bigkahuna2020 » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:07 pm

canuck wrote:This is all I have to say to any Canada-haters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0tnKCHp ... re=related
:wink:


I was living in Vancouver at the time---

Cracked me up how pumped up and anti-American Canadians got when America is playing a sport that is our fourth (fifth? soccer is still rising) most favorite sport...and y'all still needed two shots to beat us

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby canuck » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:10 pm

bigkahuna2020 wrote:
canuck wrote:This is all I have to say to any Canada-haters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0tnKCHp ... re=related
:wink:


I was living in Vancouver at the time---

Cracked me up how pumped up and anti-American Canadians got when America is playing a sport that is our fourth (fifth? soccer is still rising) most favorite sport...and y'all still needed two shots to beat us


We also beat you in total golds and you have 10X the population of Canada. Canadians are rarely very nationalistic, so I think it was justified.
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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby canuck » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:11 pm

bigkahuna2020 wrote:
canuck wrote:
bigkahuna2020 wrote:
canuck wrote:
Maybe you need to learn how to work properly. I love my job and generally like studying too (though around exam time it is rather stressful).

Also, I'm in the 99th GPA percentile at a top 20 world ranking school, so I would suggest my study habits are pretty solid


You study hard at McGill? It isn't exactly all THAT hard for most people...I mean your 4.0 ain't EASY but -the Arts curriculum at McGill isn't the hardest

Studying never compares to work. Not even intensive research compares to work done well. Studying is about getting it right, not just putting in the hours, it's totally different.


Of course but who is to suggest I'm not getting it right? Anyways this discussion is not about my study habits, nor the difficulty any uni.

Point is, it was a valid point that many of us already study more than we would work at big law
. I of course don't want to work this much my entire life, but we'll see what happens.


See that is where I disagree. Just because you are doing them for the same amount of time means nothing. I could work 100 hours a week videogame testing, but is that comparable to, say, flying a plane for 100 hours a week? Building law cases and files is far far more demanding, and rigidly organized---it is more exhausting and demanding as a result


Why do you assume a law firm is more intellectually demanding than a university? I guess it depends what you study, but I certainly don't study video game playing.

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby AreJay711 » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:16 pm

canuck wrote:
bigkahuna2020 wrote:
canuck wrote:This is all I have to say to any Canada-haters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0tnKCHp ... re=related
:wink:


I was living in Vancouver at the time---

Cracked me up how pumped up and anti-American Canadians got when America is playing a sport that is our fourth (fifth? soccer is still rising) most favorite sport...and y'all still needed two shots to beat us


You also have 10X the population as us.


True but we don't care about it as much nor do people grow up learning to play. We just finally got an ice skating rink in the county I grew up in -- pop. 150,000 so not super small. Most of the U.S. does not even have a realistic ability to play hockey even if they wanted too.

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby JazzOne » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:17 pm

AreJay711 wrote:
canuck wrote:
bigkahuna2020 wrote:
canuck wrote:This is all I have to say to any Canada-haters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0tnKCHp ... re=related
:wink:


I was living in Vancouver at the time---

Cracked me up how pumped up and anti-American Canadians got when America is playing a sport that is our fourth (fifth? soccer is still rising) most favorite sport...and y'all still needed two shots to beat us


You also have 10X the population as us.


True but we don't care about it as much nor do people grow up learning to play. We just finally got an ice skating rink in the county I grew up in -- pop. 150,000 so not super small. Most of the U.S. does not even have a realistic ability to play hockey even if they wanted too.

Yeah, I was tempted to point out that probably only 1% of Americans would ever even consider putting on a pair of ice skates.

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby edgarfigaro » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:19 pm

bigkahuna2020 wrote:I could work 100 hours a week videogame testing, but is that comparable to, say, flying a plane for 100 hours a week?


I would kill myself if I spent 100 hour/week testing videogames...and I like videogames. It's one step above cleaning the bathrooms at a middle school, but only barely.

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby crazycanuck » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:23 pm

canuck wrote:Why do you assume a law firm is more intellectually demanding than a university? I guess it depends what you study, but I certainly don't study video game playing.


I'm curious as to what real work experience you have? (Keep in mind that internships are jokes)

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby bigkahuna2020 » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:37 pm

canuck wrote:
bigkahuna2020 wrote:
canuck wrote:This is all I have to say to any Canada-haters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0tnKCHp ... re=related
:wink:


I was living in Vancouver at the time---

Cracked me up how pumped up and anti-American Canadians got when America is playing a sport that is our fourth (fifth? soccer is still rising) most favorite sport...and y'all still needed two shots to beat us


We also beat you in total golds and you have 10X the population of Canada. Canadians are rarely very nationalistic, so I think it was justified.


You also have 10X the amount of winter as us. Would it also be justified if America got pumped up about beating Lithuania at basketball?

Why do you assume a law firm is more intellectually demanding than a university? I guess it depends what you study, but I certainly don't study video game playing.


1) I never said it was more INTELLECTUALLY demanding. That might or might not be true
2) You might not study video game playing, but you are not in an intellectually demanding field or faculty. Just for background, I went to McGill too, but I was in Science (with an Arts minor). Outside of Philosophy, Arts is a breeze at McGill (that top 20 OMFG ranking worldwide! doesn't make an easy field and faculty easier) and I knew a lot of people with high GPAs there---however, in Science and Engineering, even the ones with the 3.9's (noone really gets 4.0's in those fields) never worked as many hours as you did

It is LEARNING---you don't learn more with more hours and especially when you work those kind of hours with a soft subject with relatively minimal memorization, you are either 1)wasting time or 2)studying incorrectly
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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby bigkahuna2020 » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:39 pm

edgarfigaro wrote:
bigkahuna2020 wrote:I could work 100 hours a week videogame testing, but is that comparable to, say, flying a plane for 100 hours a week?


I would kill myself if I spent 100 hour/week testing videogames...and I like videogames. It's one step above cleaning the bathrooms at a middle school, but only barely.


True, but at least in a middle school you have middle school girls? (too far?)

Anyway, you get my point. Anyone saying that big law hours are being worked by "pre-law" students because they study that much is comparing apples and plastic oranges

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby canuck » Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:05 pm

bigkahuna2020 wrote:
canuck wrote:
bigkahuna2020 wrote:
canuck wrote:This is all I have to say to any Canada-haters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0tnKCHp ... re=related
:wink:


I was living in Vancouver at the time---

Cracked me up how pumped up and anti-American Canadians got when America is playing a sport that is our fourth (fifth? soccer is still rising) most favorite sport...and y'all still needed two shots to beat us


We also beat you in total golds and you have 10X the population of Canada. Canadians are rarely very nationalistic, so I think it was justified.


You also have 10X the amount of winter as us. Would it also be justified if America got pumped up about beating Lithuania at basketball?

Why do you assume a law firm is more intellectually demanding than a university? I guess it depends what you study, but I certainly don't study video game playing.


1) I never said it was more INTELLECTUALLY demanding. That might or might not be true
2) You might not study video game playing, but you are not in an intellectually demanding field or faculty. Just for background, I went to McGill too, but I was in Science (with an Arts minor). Outside of Philosophy, Arts is a breeze at McGill (that top 20 OMFG ranking worldwide! doesn't make an easy field and faculty easier) and I knew a lot of people with high GPAs there---however, in Science and Engineering, even the ones with the 3.9's (noone really gets 4.0's in those fields) never worked as many hours as you did

It is LEARNING---you don't learn more with more hours and especially when you work those kind of hours with a soft subject with relatively minimal memorization, you are either 1)wasting time or 2)studying incorrectly


Your assumption that an arts major is somehow less intellectually demanding than a science major is, obviously, flawed. Rote learning is hardly that impressive.
Even more flawed is that you would consider knowing "a lot people with high GPAs there" some sort of indication of the difficulty of the university.
Finally, the idea that you don't learn more with more hours is just silly. More hours = more information and more time to analyze issues.

Either way, I really could not care less about you trying to judge me. My hard work has paid off tremendously. You can continue to obsess over it, or you can just move on.
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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby canuck » Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:07 pm

bigkahuna2020 wrote:
You also have 10X the amount of winter as us. Would it also be justified if America got pumped up about beating Lithuania at basketball?



It would appear so...http://www.insidehoops.com/usa-082104.shtml

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby mrmangs » Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:18 pm

crazycanuck wrote:
Renzo wrote:
canuck wrote:Take a look at this great article --LinkRemoved--

There is a strong demand for lawyers in small towns in Canada. Doesn't the idea of living in a small town, setting your own hours, having time for family and recreation, and still pulling about six figures appeal to any of you?

This definitely has me thinking about studying in Canada. The big law NYC dream is nice, but all the horror stories about 80 work weeks and general hating of life is making me think long and hard.

What does everyone think?

LOL at thinking Canada really exists. Next you'll be telling me they need lawyers in Narnia.


I guess you've never read the voyage of the Dawn Tredder when they visit some of the outlying islands and the governor there?

Also,

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxfb1L-hMxU


Did you ever see the BBC Narnia movies? Those were amazing.

Moderately excited for this. The new The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe was bad IMO, but Prince Caspian was pretty good.

On topic, I don't think studying and working can be compared. There is a qualitative difference.

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby JazzOne » Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:20 pm

canuck wrote:
bigkahuna2020 wrote:
You also have 10X the amount of winter as us. Would it also be justified if America got pumped up about beating Lithuania at basketball?



It would appear so...http://www.insidehoops.com/usa-082104.shtml

lol

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby prezidentv8 » Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:22 pm

canuck wrote:Finally, the idea that you don't learn more with more hours is just silly. More hours = more information and more time to analyze issues.


Well, to be fair, not always...

Image

At some point you'll dip into the negatives on the margin, say, if you stay awake for 3 days straight studying...

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby canuck » Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:24 pm

prezidentv8 wrote:
canuck wrote:Finally, the idea that you don't learn more with more hours is just silly. More hours = more information and more time to analyze issues.


Well, to be fair, not always...

Image

At some point you'll dip into the negatives on the margin, say, if you stay awake for 3 days straight studying...


Credited. Minimum 6 hours sleep and 1-2 hours of relaxation every day is key.

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby AreJay711 » Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:33 pm

canuck wrote:
prezidentv8 wrote:
canuck wrote:Finally, the idea that you don't learn more with more hours is just silly. More hours = more information and more time to analyze issues.


Well, to be fair, not always...

Image

At some point you'll dip into the negatives on the margin, say, if you stay awake for 3 days straight studying...


Credited. Minimum 6 hours sleep and 1-2 hours of relaxation every day is key.


I don't think anyone is saying it is BAD academically to study that much, just that it is unnecessary. I very well could be bad from a personal and employment side -- people hire people they want to be around.

Then there is the fact that an A is an A is an A (unless your school has A+s). You could probably spend 1/3 of that time and still earn straight As and probably have more fun.

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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby bigkahuna2020 » Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:35 pm

canuck wrote:
Your assumption that an arts major is somehow less intellectually demanding than a science major is, obviously, flawed. Rote learning is hardly that impressive.
Even more flawed is that you would consider knowing "a lot people with high GPAs there" some sort of indication of the difficulty of the university.
Finally, the idea that you don't learn more with more hours is just silly. More hours = more information and more time to analyze issues.

Either way, I really could not care less about you trying to judge me. My hard work has paid off tremendously. You can continue to obsess over it, or you can just move on.


Was this what I said? I said learning is about realization. If you understand the concept 1 hour in, versus taking 9 hours to learn it...you don't magically understand more

Work is about...WORK. As in the more time, the more gets done.

Time is a useless metric when it comes to studying(at least beyong a certain minimal point), it is not when it comes to work. So the hours spent in SCHOOL studying do NOT at all compare to work, so your studying 100 hrs a week (which includes sitting in class, wait until you get a job and then compare it to going to class) DOES NOT EQUATE to 100 hours as an associate

Oh and the fact that you do it as an econ major just makes the contrast that much more stark and morbidly hilarious...especially as studying that long ONLY MAKES SENSE when memorizing discrete facts, not concepts

But good luck in life if you think your 100 hours of aggregate slow moving Arts UG courses that take 20 minutes and 6 powerpoint slides to explain basic quantitative concepts, procrastinating, simple worksheets and easy reading of generally easy to grasp ideas somehow compares to real work.
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Re: Big law is ballin', but...

Postby crazycanuck » Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:36 pm

mrmangs wrote:
crazycanuck wrote:
Renzo wrote:
canuck wrote:Take a look at this great article --LinkRemoved--

There is a strong demand for lawyers in small towns in Canada. Doesn't the idea of living in a small town, setting your own hours, having time for family and recreation, and still pulling about six figures appeal to any of you?

This definitely has me thinking about studying in Canada. The big law NYC dream is nice, but all the horror stories about 80 work weeks and general hating of life is making me think long and hard.

What does everyone think?

LOL at thinking Canada really exists. Next you'll be telling me they need lawyers in Narnia.


I guess you've never read the voyage of the Dawn Tredder when they visit some of the outlying islands and the governor there?

Also,

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxfb1L-hMxU


Did you ever see the BBC Narnia movies? Those were amazing.

Moderately excited for this. The new The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe was bad IMO, but Prince Caspian was pretty good.

On topic, I don't think studying and working can be compared. There is a qualitative difference.


I own the BBC Narnia movies, they were all awesome. I liked The Lion/Witch/Wardrobe, I thought it was pretty good. Prince Caspian was also really good. In general so far the movies have not been a let down. I'm excited for The Silver Chair although Voyage of the Dawn Tredder was my favorite book. I wonder if they plan to do all the Narnia books (Magicians Nephew, Last Battle, Horse and his boy (although maybe not this one since it is supposed to be between Wardrobe and Caspian)




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