Lady, you need therapy. Every other post you make is about your "really bad softs." Your self-esteem in the toilet. I hope that isn't so evident in your PS.whymeohgodno wrote:Attempting to remain anonymous during my (shitty) cycle.
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Well, from what she posted with her tar, she's not bad looking.plenipotentiary wrote:Lady, you need therapy. Every other post you make is about your "really bad softs." Your self-esteem in the toilet. I hope that isn't so evident in your PS.whymeohgodno wrote:Attempting to remain anonymous during my (shitty) cycle.
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this mentality is why working in the united states sucks.ResolutePear wrote:Perhaps the mentality changes by industry... but, when establishing a book of business - you can't afford to tell a client: "Hey, I just passed 60 hours - it's going to have to wait till next week."canuck wrote:Actually I have. People put in their time, but 90 hours a week is nearly 13 hours a day including weekends. I love money, but I don't care about it this much. Working this much is not physically or emotionally healthy and it will probably eventually lead to worst performance overall. Not to mention, forget about having a family.ResolutePear wrote:
You've never worked in a corporate environment, right?
If you can't do 80 hours a week, theres always somebody right under you willing to work 90 hours a week, and for less. This is barring labor unions, of course.
Personally, I never took the "I work too much" excuse lightly from any of my staff. If they can't handle more work beyond their required production, I won't punish them.. but I'll be damned if I'm going to give them a promotion over somebody who does handle the 80+ hours.
It could be different in a law firm, I personally doubt it.
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I haven't even posted anything about my softs in weeks. I'm sorry it bothered you so much?plenipotentiary wrote:Lady, you need therapy. Every other post you make is about your "really bad softs." Your self-esteem in the toilet. I hope that isn't so evident in your PS.whymeohgodno wrote:Attempting to remain anonymous during my (shitty) cycle.
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Yea but going above and beyond = promotion in my experience though I loved working off commission... didn't have to wait for promotions to get more $.Oban wrote:this mentality is why working in the united states sucks.ResolutePear wrote:Perhaps the mentality changes by industry... but, when establishing a book of business - you can't afford to tell a client: "Hey, I just passed 60 hours - it's going to have to wait till next week."canuck wrote:Actually I have. People put in their time, but 90 hours a week is nearly 13 hours a day including weekends. I love money, but I don't care about it this much. Working this much is not physically or emotionally healthy and it will probably eventually lead to worst performance overall. Not to mention, forget about having a family.ResolutePear wrote:
You've never worked in a corporate environment, right?
If you can't do 80 hours a week, theres always somebody right under you willing to work 90 hours a week, and for less. This is barring labor unions, of course.
Personally, I never took the "I work too much" excuse lightly from any of my staff. If they can't handle more work beyond their required production, I won't punish them.. but I'll be damned if I'm going to give them a promotion over somebody who does handle the 80+ hours.
It could be different in a law firm, I personally doubt it.
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Are you seriously complaining about the US?Oban wrote:this mentality is why working in the united states sucks.ResolutePear wrote:Perhaps the mentality changes by industry... but, when establishing a book of business - you can't afford to tell a client: "Hey, I just passed 60 hours - it's going to have to wait till next week."canuck wrote:Actually I have. People put in their time, but 90 hours a week is nearly 13 hours a day including weekends. I love money, but I don't care about it this much. Working this much is not physically or emotionally healthy and it will probably eventually lead to worst performance overall. Not to mention, forget about having a family.ResolutePear wrote:
You've never worked in a corporate environment, right?
If you can't do 80 hours a week, theres always somebody right under you willing to work 90 hours a week, and for less. This is barring labor unions, of course.
Personally, I never took the "I work too much" excuse lightly from any of my staff. If they can't handle more work beyond their required production, I won't punish them.. but I'll be damned if I'm going to give them a promotion over somebody who does handle the 80+ hours.
It could be different in a law firm, I personally doubt it.
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Why do anything then? Why go to law school? You just might die 2 days after OCI.floppymex wrote:b/c tomorrow is guaranteed to all of usResolutePear wrote:Empirically? I'd really like to see that data... because I've never felt more alive then when I have purpose 24/7. Some downtime is nice, but as long as I'm putting food on the table and providing myself with a comfortable lifestyle, I'd be willing to push 80 hours.canuck wrote:Humans have needs. Relatedness, competence and autonomy are the three core needs. You'll likely be missing out on one of these if your whole life is work. Empirically, people who work this much are, on average, miserable. Not everyone will be and I hope none of you will be...but chances are life is going to suck.whymeohgodno wrote:
Why do you expect that just because you won't enjoy it nobody else will?
As for *enjoying* the money... there's always downtime for that and there's always a savings account with your name on it(I'd hope).
This is horrible hippie mentality - for fucks sake, not even Bear Grylls is dead yet and he's pretty far from an office job.
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Go to law school and do things because your are intrinsically motivated to do them. Center your life around money and you'll be chronically disappointed with the results.ResolutePear wrote:[
Why do anything then? Why go to law school? You just might die 2 days after OCI.
This is horrible hippie mentality - for fucks sake, not even Bear Grylls is dead yet and he's pretty far from an office job.
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Kids these days...canuck wrote: Go to law school and do things because your are intrinsically motivated to do them. Center your life around money and you'll be chronically disappointed with the results.
Canuck: I don't think you're going to mesh well with 99% of TLS. We're here for the biglawls and the models and bottles.
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Contrary to popular belief - money does bring happiness. Happiness is more than just about servicing yourself. If you have kids and a wife - mostly kids, wouldn't it make you happy that they will grow up in the best possible scenario? Never really having an unfulfilled "want"?patrickd139 wrote:Kids these days...canuck wrote: Go to law school and do things because your are intrinsically motivated to do them. Center your life around money and you'll be chronically disappointed with the results.
Canuck: I don't think you're going to mesh well with 99% of TLS. We're here for the biglawls and the models and bottles.
People say it'll lead to spoiled idiots - but I'd wager that if I had been given an economic advantage, I would of never left school in the first place and had at least a +.5 on my GPA. There's always more to "just working"
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no joke. That was a self tar?ResolutePear wrote:Well, from what she posted with her tar, she's not bad looking.plenipotentiary wrote:Lady, you need therapy. Every other post you make is about your "really bad softs." Your self-esteem in the toilet. I hope that isn't so evident in your PS.whymeohgodno wrote:Attempting to remain anonymous during my (shitty) cycle.
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That's the word!Sentry wrote:no joke. That was a self tar?ResolutePear wrote:Well, from what she posted with her tar, she's not bad looking.plenipotentiary wrote:Lady, you need therapy. Every other post you make is about your "really bad softs." Your self-esteem in the toilet. I hope that isn't so evident in your PS.whymeohgodno wrote:Attempting to remain anonymous during my (shitty) cycle.
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She obviously wouldn't fit in at UChicago.ResolutePear wrote:That's the word!Sentry wrote:no joke. That was a self tar?ResolutePear wrote:Well, from what she posted with her tar, she's not bad looking.plenipotentiary wrote:
Lady, you need therapy. Every other post you make is about your "really bad softs." Your self-esteem in the toilet. I hope that isn't so evident in your PS.
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There's just too many ways I could go with this statement. No disrespect intended towards whymeohgodno.Sentry wrote:She obviously wouldn't fit in at UChicago.ResolutePear wrote:That's the word!Sentry wrote:no joke. That was a self tar?ResolutePear wrote: Well, from what she posted with her tar, she's not bad looking.
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yeah. no disrespect whymeohgodno.
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I spot a flaw.ResolutePear wrote:because I've never felt more alive then when I have purpose 24/7. Some downtime is nice, but as long as I'm putting food on the table and providing myself with a comfortable lifestyle, I'd be willing to push 80 hours.
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What's wrong with having purpose?prezidentv8 wrote:I spot a flaw.ResolutePear wrote:because I've never felt more alive then when I have purpose 24/7. Some downtime is nice, but as long as I'm putting food on the table and providing myself with a comfortable lifestyle, I'd be willing to push 80 hours.
Some people are fine walking the world not knowing what they'll do tomorrow. I, on the other hand, enjoy structure.
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Oh I'm not disputing that. Purpose is great. I'm just saying that working 80 hour weeks (the hours themselves) in a law firm does not sound like "purpose" to me. And "putting food on the table" by doing so is going to sacrifice some other aspects of your life and your family life, regardless of the money you bring in - find a biglaw partner's kid and talk to them about that one.ResolutePear wrote:What's wrong with having purpose?prezidentv8 wrote:I spot a flaw.ResolutePear wrote:because I've never felt more alive then when I have purpose 24/7. Some downtime is nice, but as long as I'm putting food on the table and providing myself with a comfortable lifestyle, I'd be willing to push 80 hours.
Some people are fine walking the world not knowing what they'll do tomorrow. I, on the other hand, enjoy structure.
Point being, as much as you make a good point, there will be sacrifices involved one way or another.
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@AreJay711: Do you really think that the average person is better off now than in the '50s ? Certainly not in the US, maybe elsewhere.
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So your kids will hate you... big deal. I barely ever saw my father bc he worked so much and when I did see him more when I got older it was bc he took me to work with him. I hated him for a while but then I grew up and learned to respect him for what he did for our family. I guess some kids don't ever realize that but the way I look at it the goal of parenting is to produce successful adults not happy children.prezidentv8 wrote:Oh I'm not disputing that. Purpose is great. I'm just saying that working 80 hour weeks (the hours themselves) in a law firm does not sound like "purpose" to me. And "putting food on the table" by doing so is going to sacrifice some other aspects of your life and your family life, regardless of the money you bring in - find a biglaw partner's kid and talk to them about that one.ResolutePear wrote:What's wrong with having purpose?prezidentv8 wrote:I spot a flaw.ResolutePear wrote:because I've never felt more alive then when I have purpose 24/7. Some downtime is nice, but as long as I'm putting food on the table and providing myself with a comfortable lifestyle, I'd be willing to push 80 hours.
Some people are fine walking the world not knowing what they'll do tomorrow. I, on the other hand, enjoy structure.
Point being, as much as you make a good point, there will be sacrifices involved one way or another.
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I agree with the other posts to an extent - but this, *THIS* is the goal. Even if I don't get into Ivy, I'll be damned if my next kids won't. I'll work my keyboard into dust if it'll mean that my kids are twice as successful than I.AreJay711 wrote:So your kids will hate you... big deal. I barely ever saw my father bc he worked so much and when I did see him more when I got older it was bc he took me to work with him. I hated him for a while but then I grew up and learned to respect him for what he did for our family. I guess some kids don't ever realize that but the way I look at it the goal of parenting is to produce successful adults not happy children.prezidentv8 wrote:Oh I'm not disputing that. Purpose is great. I'm just saying that working 80 hour weeks (the hours themselves) in a law firm does not sound like "purpose" to me. And "putting food on the table" by doing so is going to sacrifice some other aspects of your life and your family life, regardless of the money you bring in - find a biglaw partner's kid and talk to them about that one.ResolutePear wrote:What's wrong with having purpose?prezidentv8 wrote:
I spot a flaw.
Some people are fine walking the world not knowing what they'll do tomorrow. I, on the other hand, enjoy structure.
Point being, as much as you make a good point, there will be sacrifices involved one way or another.
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In money and consumption terms? Absolutely. For example, families in the 50's didn't have cars laying around to give their children -- kids bought junk cars and fixed them up. In my high school and university most students have their own car usually 4-5 years old. Other things are the same way: we generally have more stuff than in the 50's.CanadianWolf wrote:@AreJay711: Do you really think that the average person is better off now than in the '50s ? Certainly not in the US, maybe elsewhere.
As far as happiness goes, I think people in the 50's were happier overall in spite of this because money is not all that matters.
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That doesn't change what I said. As much as working that much might be for the sake of your family, there will be sacrifices involved, most of which (in my own opinion) would be detrimental to a child, a wife, and you. Now, I can qualify that by saying that I guess that depends on your definition of successful adult and your views on whether the constant absence of a parent would have a likely effect on that outcome, but I think there is something to be said for the presence of a father figure in a household. And as an aside, consider how bad the depression and substance abuse rates are for lawyers and the effects of those sorts of things on a family (i.e., working your way to a divorce is not out of the question).AreJay711 wrote:So your kids will hate you... big deal. I barely ever saw my father bc he worked so much and when I did see him more when I got older it was bc he took me to work with him. I hated him for a while but then I grew up and learned to respect him for what he did for our family. I guess some kids don't ever realize that but the way I look at it the goal of parenting is to produce successful adults not happy children.prezidentv8 wrote:
Oh I'm not disputing that. Purpose is great. I'm just saying that working 80 hour weeks (the hours themselves) in a law firm does not sound like "purpose" to me. And "putting food on the table" by doing so is going to sacrifice some other aspects of your life and your family life, regardless of the money you bring in - find a biglaw partner's kid and talk to them about that one.
Point being, as much as you make a good point, there will be sacrifices involved one way or another.
Now again, you're not wrong, but I feel like presenting a view of professional life that amounts to "work as much as possible" = virtue is oversimplified.
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In the 50s they were getting much better prescriptions from their doctors. just sayinAreJay711 wrote: As far as happiness goes, I think people in the 50's were happier overall in spite of this because money is not all that matters.
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