I didn't know playing StarCraft was considered a job.whymeohgodno wrote:"the average South Korean works 2,390 hours each year, according to the OECD"
And that's only average. Such people are huge wimps when it comes to hours...
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Or that lag time counts towards the hours totalSentry wrote:I didn't know playing StarCraft was considered a job.whymeohgodno wrote:"the average South Korean works 2,390 hours each year, according to the OECD"
And that's only average. Such people are huge wimps when it comes to hours...
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between going to classes, studying, working 20-40 hours per week and extracurricular activities which fall under 'work' category, many pre-law students are already working big law hours.
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If that's the case then working out the APM, 2,390 Korean Starcraft hours work out to 12,345 US Starcraft hours - on average.SBL wrote:Or that lag time counts towards the hours totalSentry wrote:I didn't know playing StarCraft was considered a job.whymeohgodno wrote:"the average South Korean works 2,390 hours each year, according to the OECD"
And that's only average. Such people are huge wimps when it comes to hours...
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If you're putting in anywhere near biglaw hours as an undergrad, you're doing it really, really, really, really wrong.thegor1987 wrote:between going to classes, studying, working 20-40 hours per week and extracurricular activities which fall under 'work' category, many pre-law students are already working big law hours.
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meh, maybe it is just GWU culture but thegor1987 statement wasn't that far off base for my experience. now I am putting in more study hours at LS, but I think I am working about as many hours (70-80/h week).SBL wrote:If you're putting in anywhere near biglaw hours as an undergrad, you're doing it really, really, really, really wrong.thegor1987 wrote:between going to classes, studying, working 20-40 hours per week and extracurricular activities which fall under 'work' category, many pre-law students are already working big law hours.
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I consider counting ceiling popcorn as a job - so... where does that put me?SBL wrote:If you're putting in anywhere near biglaw hours as an undergrad, you're doing it really, really, really, really wrong.thegor1987 wrote:between going to classes, studying, working 20-40 hours per week and extracurricular activities which fall under 'work' category, many pre-law students are already working big law hours.
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Yes, but the average South Korean is about half as productive as the average American. And even less productive than the average European.whymeohgodno wrote:"the average South Korean works 2,390 hours each year, according to the OECD"
And that's only average. Such people are huge wimps when it comes to hours...
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there are ways to put in the biglaw hours in undergrad. Just work 30 hours thu-sun and take 18 credits of aeronautical engineering mon-fri. Anyone can do it! Find a bartending job, and declare the hardest major available on campus. And see if it is possible for a human to do any more work than that.SBL wrote:If you're putting in anywhere near biglaw hours as an undergrad, you're doing it really, really, really, really wrong.thegor1987 wrote:between going to classes, studying, working 20-40 hours per week and extracurricular activities which fall under 'work' category, many pre-law students are already working big law hours.
It might be possible to turn yourself into a robot but our technology is not advanced enough yet.
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I think you have it the other way around.motiontodismiss wrote:Yes, but the average South Korean is about half as productive as the average American. And even less productive than the average European.whymeohgodno wrote:"the average South Korean works 2,390 hours each year, according to the OECD"
And that's only average. Such people are huge wimps when it comes to hours...
South Koreans are at least twice as productive as Americans. There are no unions or laws(generally) to limit productivity.
If you consider wage in the measure of productivity - yeah, we(Americans) have no chance!
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First off, let me start by mentioning that Star Craft 2 is awesome.ResolutePear wrote:I think you have it the other way around.motiontodismiss wrote:Yes, but the average South Korean is about half as productive as the average American. And even less productive than the average European.whymeohgodno wrote:"the average South Korean works 2,390 hours each year, according to the OECD"
And that's only average. Such people are huge wimps when it comes to hours...
South Koreans are at least twice as productive as Americans. There are no unions or laws(generally) to limit productivity.
If you consider wage in the measure of productivity - yeah, we(Americans) have no chance!
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Indeed - it's a perfect format for me. I'll be writing papers or something for 4 hours straight and want to play something for 20-30 mins, Starcraft usually fits the bill - provides intro and closure within that time usually.fugitivejammer wrote:First off, let me start by mentioning that Star Craft 2 is awesome.ResolutePear wrote:I think you have it the other way around.motiontodismiss wrote:Yes, but the average South Korean is about half as productive as the average American. And even less productive than the average European.whymeohgodno wrote:"the average South Korean works 2,390 hours each year, according to the OECD"
And that's only average. Such people are huge wimps when it comes to hours...
South Koreans are at least twice as productive as Americans. There are no unions or laws(generally) to limit productivity.
If you consider wage in the measure of productivity - yeah, we(Americans) have no chance!
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I'm working in South Korea. And let me assure you that the people I work with do a LOT LESS work than I've seen at an American workplace. It may be true in the manufacturing sector (unionized lawyers? bankers? accountants? yeah right) but in the white collar sector Americans are a lot more productive. I myself spend 4-5 of the 8 hours I spend at work studying for the LSAT. And that's when I'm most productive, and my boss loves me.ResolutePear wrote:I think you have it the other way around.motiontodismiss wrote:Yes, but the average South Korean is about half as productive as the average American. And even less productive than the average European.whymeohgodno wrote:"the average South Korean works 2,390 hours each year, according to the OECD"
And that's only average. Such people are huge wimps when it comes to hours...
South Koreans are at least twice as productive as Americans. There are no unions or laws(generally) to limit productivity.
If you consider wage in the measure of productivity - yeah, we(Americans) have no chance!
I'm guessing it's a function of compensation. Compensation in South Korea is absolute shit. And jobs are like impossible to get. Seoul is the 14th most expensive city in the world (New York is 27th), and a job in Seoul will pay half as much as a job in New York, if you're not an expat that was brought in from overseas.
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These two statements mean the same thing. Unless you're saying that you could get a bonus based on something other than hours. Still, to have 3k be the hours threshold for getting a bonus seems crazy to me.JazzOne wrote:I didn't say that. I said 3K was the only one of the three options listed that would be sufficient for a bonus.bigben wrote:Lolwut? No bonus unless you hit 3k? That's totally absurd, never heard anything like it.JazzOne wrote:Unfortunately, only one of those will be enough for a bonus at my firm.
Then again, base pay is above market, so I'll just keep telling myself it's ok.
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No, they don't mean the same thing. The options were 2000, 2400, and 3000. If there was a bonus offered at 2,600, then 3K would not be the threshold, yet it would still be the only one on the list that merits a bonus.bigben wrote:These two statements mean the same thing. Unless you're saying that you could get a bonus based on something other than hours. Still, to have 3k be the hours threshold for getting a bonus seems crazy to me.JazzOne wrote:I didn't say that. I said 3K was the only one of the three options listed that would be sufficient for a bonus.bigben wrote:Lolwut? No bonus unless you hit 3k? That's totally absurd, never heard anything like it.JazzOne wrote:Unfortunately, only one of those will be enough for a bonus at my firm.
Then again, base pay is above market, so I'll just keep telling myself it's ok.
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Got it. Not all cylinders firing today.
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It's not so much a shortage as better regulations on schools.motiontodismiss wrote: This also makes me think long and hard about law school in Canada....seems there's a shortage of lawyers in Canada. $100k to start is also reasonable for pay too.
They can only have as many seats to the amount they can prove there is a need for in their immediate area. If they cannot prove this need they cannot open the school. Ryerson tried to open a law school but got shut down because they could not prove there was a need for 52 new lawyers every year in their immediate vicinity.
I don't know of anyone who was top 30-50% and still looking for jobs. Maybe the bottom 10% at UBC can't find jobs, but they shouldn't be able to, they sucked.
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This article could have been on TLS
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It's not about being "wimpy", although that "man up and put your hours in" attitude is pervasive. I think many people take issue with the notion of dedicating their lives to companies/firms that care very little about them, when such companies can, and often do, shitcan dedicated employees on a routine basis to keep the owners/partners/stockholders happy. See Lathamed.whymeohgodno wrote:"the average South Korean works 2,390 hours each year, according to the OECD"
And that's only average. Such people are huge wimps when it comes to hours...
The idea of working long hours doesn't deter me. I don't want to spend 70 hours a week of my life as a cog in a machine that cares very little about me just because it's an effective way to pay my mortgage. However, I would gladly put in 90 hours per week (or whatever it took) if I were building and running my own firm or company. Maybe I'm weird, though.
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If you look hard enough, you might find a firm worth the effort to become partner.Royal wrote:It's not about being "wimpy", although that "man up and put your hours in" attitude is pervasive. I think many people take issue with the notion of dedicating their lives to companies/firms that care very little about them, when such companies can, and often do, shitcan dedicated employees on a routine basis to keep the owners/partners/stockholders happy. See Lathamed.whymeohgodno wrote:"the average South Korean works 2,390 hours each year, according to the OECD"
And that's only average. Such people are huge wimps when it comes to hours...
The idea of working long hours doesn't deter me. I don't want to spend 70 hours a week of my life as a cog in a machine that cares very little about me just because it's an effective way to pay my mortgage. However, I would gladly put in 90 hours per week (or whatever it took) if I were building and running my own firm or company. Maybe I'm weird, though.
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The American workforce (across all sectors) is still the world's most productive, and still by a good clip among OECD states. Even in heavily unionized sectors (manufacturing) we set the pace, and have still posted productivity gains throughout the recession (which contributes to the "jobless recovery" phenomenon in many sectors). This is one reason why the US economy as a whole is still the most profitable in the world, despite China's rapidly growing but still somewhat unproductive (compared to the US) economy, and despite the EU bloc being bigger overall (no one ever accused the French workforce of efficiency).ResolutePear wrote:I think you have it the other way around.motiontodismiss wrote:Yes, but the average South Korean is about half as productive as the average American. And even less productive than the average European.whymeohgodno wrote:"the average South Korean works 2,390 hours each year, according to the OECD"
And that's only average. Such people are huge wimps when it comes to hours...
South Koreans are at least twice as productive as Americans. There are no unions or laws(generally) to limit productivity.
If you consider wage in the measure of productivity - yeah, we(Americans) have no chance!
High volumes of hours worked doesn't necessarily translate into productivity. It's just that in the US, we work a lot of hours and we're highly productive.
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Unless they were anything but middle class white people. Doubt the people running from the KKK in Alabama were all that happy.As far as happiness goes, I think people in the 50's were happier overall in spite of this because money is not all that matters.
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Great point!nealric wrote:Unless they were anything but middle class white people. Doubt the people running from the KKK in Alabama were all that happy.As far as happiness goes, I think people in the 50's were happier overall in spite of this because money is not all that matters.
Wait...no, that has nothing to do with anything.
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Ya, who cares about minorities! They don't count.canuck wrote:Great point!nealric wrote:Unless they were anything but middle class white people. Doubt the people running from the KKK in Alabama were all that happy.As far as happiness goes, I think people in the 50's were happier overall in spite of this because money is not all that matters.
Wait...no, that has nothing to do with anything.
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