How to judge the value of softs?

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How to judge the value of softs?

Postby gambelda » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:31 am

How do you determine what 'softs' are great to include into your resume and which will have minimal impact? Are there certain check boxes that law schools look for? I understand the resume has little impact to your overall application, but was wondering how you determine whether or not the softs you DO have are of high quality?

Some of mine:
1) 1+ year of work experience with a global consulting firm in the fortune 500.
2) 2 years of a student consulting organization that worked with non-profits in the state of Michigan
3) Study Abroad
4) Dean's list every semester and a few honors societies.

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby whymeohgodno » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:32 am

Yours are average

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby Ginj » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:38 am

Published novel, presidential nominee, Peace Corps volunteer, Olympic pole-vaulting champion -----> good softs

Successful graduate work, extensive/unusual/interesting work experience ----> decent softs

Academic honor societies, club memberships, fraternity president, internship experience -----> average softs

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby St.Remy » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:39 am

whymeohgodno wrote:Yours are average


+1, you don't have any game changers there OP. Your resume won't count against you, but it won't help you much either.

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby gambelda » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:45 am

Ginj wrote:Published novel, presidential nominee, Peace Corps volunteer, Olympic pole-vaulting champion -----> good softs

Successful graduate work, extensive/unusual/interesting work experience ----> decent softs

Academic honor societies, club memberships, fraternity president, internship experience -----> average softs


So THATS why the had the sign "Pole-vault like a champion today" over our high school locker room.... :roll:

On a more serious note, thanks for the help. It's nice to be able to gauge at what level softs will be considered. Also good to know mine aren't weak enough to hurt me at all.

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby Cupidity » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:05 am

Yeah, hate to say it, but these are pretty common. Nearly everyone in my section did Teach for America or Peace Corps or was in the Military or did foreign aid work in Africa for three years while managing a start up corporation and curing cancer.

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby compromises » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:13 am

Performed open heart surgery in a parking lot with nothing but a windshield wiper.. not sure how to include that in my PS.

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby northwood » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:14 am

but can you buy a used car without cars.com?

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby whymeohgodno » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:24 am

Cupidity wrote:Yeah, hate to say it, but these are pretty common. Nearly everyone in my section did Teach for America or Peace Corps or was in the Military or did foreign aid work in Africa for three years while managing a start up corporation and curing cancer.

Did you have these softs as well?

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby Fred_McGriff » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:32 am

Mine: 490 Home Runs, multiple All Star games, long and storied career in the majors, stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby hyper heart » Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:30 am

I won back-to-back-to-back AAU National Championships by throwing baseballs into a large container and breaking my swing and throwing motion down into five separate, mechanical steps.

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby ahduth » Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:37 am

Fred_McGriff wrote:Mine: 490 Home Runs, multiple All Star games, long and storied career in the majors, stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.


Admit at Stanford.

As their hitting coach.

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby gz5hc9 » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:30 am

Division 1 sport - 4 year letter winner, 3 year starter, co-captain
3 years as youth basketball coach
summer internship at biglaw firm
2 years WE at another biglaw firm, with a great LOR from a chambers ranked partner

with a 3.3, 162, what are my chances at bc, bu, nd, W&M, unc?

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby Adjudicator » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:33 am

For an example of real "good softs," see this guy:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=136584

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby northwood » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:40 am

good softs: saving lives, serving the country with honor, writing a best seller alla harry potter series, creting a social network, curing a disease, running a succesful charity organization from start up ( starting the org in your basement, and now its one of the most esteemed charities in your city), winning the heisman, olympic gold, world series mvp, superbowl mvp, etc, discovering a planet, being the first person to travel to mars, ending the cold war, stopping terrorism, beat up chuck norris in a cagematch, or anything remotely similiar to things listed above.

everything else: marginal softs at best

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby paratactical » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:43 am

Adjudicator wrote:For an example of real "good softs," see this guy:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 2&t=136584

Yeah, wow. Holy shit.

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby plenipotentiary » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:46 am

Cupidity wrote:Yeah, hate to say it, but these are pretty common. Nearly everyone in my section did Teach for America or Peace Corps or was in the Military or did foreign aid work in Africa for three years while managing a start up corporation and curing cancer.


Doesn't that actually imply that softs are a little important? Maybe the people who didn't get in had similar numbers but didn't have TFA or foreign work or the cure for cancer. If softs really didn't matter, wouldn't law schools be filled with people who don't have any?

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby rmansoor » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:17 pm

So fraternity volunteering/club stuff < other volunteering/club stuff?
How does admissions look at being heavily involved in your fraternity?

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby merc280 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:31 pm

is being a volunteer firefighter worth anything? Now that I think about it, all those long nights helping people probably won't matter much to the adcoms.

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby rmansoor » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:35 pm

merc280, are you kidding? That looks pretty legit. I think it would be a decent soft definitely!

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby beachbum » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:36 pm

rmansoor wrote:So fraternity volunteering/club stuff < other volunteering/club stuff?
How does admissions look at being heavily involved in your fraternity?


it's a solid "meh"

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby merc280 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:37 pm

rmansoor wrote:merc280, are you kidding? That looks pretty legit. I think it would be a decent soft definitely!



really? well then i guess all i have to do now is score decently on the dec lsat and try to get into university of Houston, or SMU. People always said firefighting was somewhat of an average soft. I've also worked with the Red Cross on their Disaster Action Team.

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby rmansoor » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:43 pm

beachbum wrote:
rmansoor wrote:So fraternity volunteering/club stuff < other volunteering/club stuff?
How does admissions look at being heavily involved in your fraternity?


it's a solid "meh"


Hmm... how about working with Panhellenic? the so called UN of sororities?

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Re: How to judge the value of softs?

Postby glitched » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:28 pm

what about directing AND starring in a porno?




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