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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby Patriot1208 » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:16 pm

Bumi wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:
Bumi wrote:
Ivan91 wrote:I work in the "financial sphere". I've never met someone working at my company who has a business administration degree.


A lot of people at my school go into Ibanking, consulting, industry financial jobs, etc. All of them will say that their degree is in Finance, Economic Strategy, etc. But all of them technically got a BSBA with a concentration in finance.

I don't know anyone with those either. Most of my coworkers have engineering degrees, economics degrees, or finance degrees - real economics and finance degrees though, not pretend business ones.

Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt, of course - I'm only one guy at one company.

Also, I'm not saying you can't get a job in the "financial sphere" with a degree in business. I'm saying you can't assume you'll get a job virtually anywhere with that degree.

Wait, did you not read my post? I said all these kids say that their degrees are in finance or economics but on their transcript it actually says bachelors in business administration with concentration in finance. And it certainly isn't "pretend business ones" considering the amount of kids doing these types of jobs from school and the amount of banks and firms that recruit here. I don't go to an ivy but I go to a private school pretty far up there and on par with the lower ivy's and other private schools.

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby cowgirl_bebop » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:27 pm

Business. Hands down. If your school offers a concentration, you will at least open up some opportunities in those fields if you decide against law school or go to work in the interim. Get some practical training, a few high paying internships, etc.

Poli Sci, not so much. But hey, as I finance major, Im a bit biased.

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby jdubb990 » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:29 pm

Major in Philosophy and minor in public speaking. A judicial process class and an econ class would be very helpful.

Keep in mind though, you will be f***** if you don't get into law school with this major/minor combo.

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:31 pm

One of my majors are Poli. Sci., although I can easily live off my other degree - I find that I'd rather be writing papers/books on social science than being a technical writer - although I am a bit biased because I have already been a technical writer. Didn't hate it, I just see American Politics to be a more refreshing subject than writing manuals for business solutions.

But, I digress:

Bachelors in anything except Engineering will be useless by our standards.

EDIT: And, you'll want an engineering degree if you want to go into Patent Law, FWIW.

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby im_blue » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:34 pm

The only majors that pay significantly more than a run-of-the-mill liberal arts major are engineering, math, chemistry, physics, CS, business, and econ. Of these, most people will get the highest possible GPA in business or econ.

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby gwuorbust » Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:50 pm

im_blue wrote:The only majors that pay significantly more than a run-of-the-mill liberal arts major are engineering, math, chemistry, physics, CS, business, and econ. Of these, most people will get the highest possible GPA in business or econ.


I think higher pay for business is hit or miss. from GWU the average biz grad made ~$50k at a 'real' job (that was the real 2008 statistic). most biz majors I know graduating from the UniversiTTTy of SouTTTh Florida are working as cashiers or in casinos (clearly just my observations..but there are too many biz majors out there already, TTTT undergrad biz majors are just SOL).

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby Patriot1208 » Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:55 pm

gwuorbust wrote:
im_blue wrote:The only majors that pay significantly more than a run-of-the-mill liberal arts major are engineering, math, chemistry, physics, CS, business, and econ. Of these, most people will get the highest possible GPA in business or econ.


I think higher pay for business is hit or miss. from GWU the average biz grad made ~$50k at a 'real' job (that was the real 2008 statistic). most biz majors I know graduating from the UniversiTTTy of SouTTTh Florida are working as cashiers or in casinos (clearly just my observations..but there are too many biz majors out there already, TTTT undergrad biz majors are just SOL).


Ya, this is definitely relative. The business school at my school had a median starting salary of 59K before bonus and 97% employment directly after graduation last year.

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:57 pm

gwuorbust wrote:
im_blue wrote:The only majors that pay significantly more than a run-of-the-mill liberal arts major are engineering, math, chemistry, physics, CS, business, and econ. Of these, most people will get the highest possible GPA in business or econ.


I think higher pay for business is hit or miss. from GWU the average biz grad made ~$50k at a 'real' job (that was the real 2008 statistic). most biz majors I know graduating from the UniversiTTTy of SouTTTh Florida are working as cashiers or in casinos (clearly just my observations..but there are too many biz majors out there already, TTTT undergrad biz majors are just SOL).


To be fair, there were a couple business majors who worked with me as assistant/general managers at BK. Same with KFC.

Most entry-level management positions give you a mini-MBA, anyways. Also, just my observation: They did get an extra 2k/yr than me, though.

I say, if you want to go into business... do Economics followed up by an MBA. Business + MBA is just redundant on so many levels.

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby gwuorbust » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:08 pm

ResolutePear wrote:To be fair, there were a couple business majors who worked with me as assistant/general managers at BK. Same with KFC.

Most entry-level management positions give you a mini-MBA, anyways. Also, just my observation: They did get an extra 2k/yr than me, though.

I say, if you want to go into business... do Economics followed up by an MBA. Business + MBA is just redundant on so many levels.


ppl ask me all the time why I'm not going to get an MBA. but as an undergrad biz major it wouldn't make any sense, complete waste. but Econ + top6MBA = golden

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby Patriot1208 » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:10 pm

gwuorbust wrote:
ResolutePear wrote:To be fair, there were a couple business majors who worked with me as assistant/general managers at BK. Same with KFC.

Most entry-level management positions give you a mini-MBA, anyways. Also, just my observation: They did get an extra 2k/yr than me, though.

I say, if you want to go into business... do Economics followed up by an MBA. Business + MBA is just redundant on so many levels.


ppl ask me all the time why I'm not going to get an MBA. but as an undergrad biz major it wouldn't make any sense, complete waste. but Econ + top6MBA = golden


MBA makes sense depending on what you've done for WE and what you want to do. Your undergrad major doesn't really matter.

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby gwuorbust » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:14 pm

Patriot1208 wrote:MBA makes sense depending on what you've done for WE and what you want to do. Your undergrad major doesn't really matter.


no doubt about that. but someone with an econ major is probably going to get better/more-relevant WE then someone who majored in Irish Literature.

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:19 pm

gwuorbust wrote:
ResolutePear wrote:To be fair, there were a couple business majors who worked with me as assistant/general managers at BK. Same with KFC.

Most entry-level management positions give you a mini-MBA, anyways. Also, just my observation: They did get an extra 2k/yr than me, though.

I say, if you want to go into business... do Economics followed up by an MBA. Business + MBA is just redundant on so many levels.


ppl ask me all the time why I'm not going to get an MBA. but as an undergrad biz major it wouldn't make any sense, complete waste. but Econ + top6MBA = golden


THIS.

Econ + Top6 MBA is a golden ticket in the business world.

If you do a business major, do an MA in accounting or go to law school, imo.

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby Patriot1208 » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:20 pm

ResolutePear wrote:
gwuorbust wrote:
ResolutePear wrote:To be fair, there were a couple business majors who worked with me as assistant/general managers at BK. Same with KFC.

Most entry-level management positions give you a mini-MBA, anyways. Also, just my observation: They did get an extra 2k/yr than me, though.

I say, if you want to go into business... do Economics followed up by an MBA. Business + MBA is just redundant on so many levels.


ppl ask me all the time why I'm not going to get an MBA. but as an undergrad biz major it wouldn't make any sense, complete waste. but Econ + top6MBA = golden


THIS.

Econ + Top6 MBA is a golden ticket in the business world.

If you do a business major, do an MA in accounting or go to law school, imo.


You are really missing the point of an MBA, it's to further an already established career. Who cares what the undergrad major was at that point?

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:35 pm

Patriot1208 wrote:
ResolutePear wrote:
gwuorbust wrote:
ResolutePear wrote:To be fair, there were a couple business majors who worked with me as assistant/general managers at BK. Same with KFC.

Most entry-level management positions give you a mini-MBA, anyways. Also, just my observation: They did get an extra 2k/yr than me, though.

I say, if you want to go into business... do Economics followed up by an MBA. Business + MBA is just redundant on so many levels.


ppl ask me all the time why I'm not going to get an MBA. but as an undergrad biz major it wouldn't make any sense, complete waste. but Econ + top6MBA = golden


THIS.

Econ + Top6 MBA is a golden ticket in the business world.

If you do a business major, do an MA in accounting or go to law school, imo.


You are really missing the point of an MBA, it's to further an already established career. Who cares what the undergrad major was at that point?


ITE, diversity is a good thing - especially with degrees which give you practical skills and relevant experience(Engineering, Economics, hard sciences, Computer Science, etc.).

I'd agree if economists and business majors both had similar job prospects - but I'm only speaking from experience when I say, I've usually seen economics majors in "better" positions. It could also be that local business programs just suck from what I've heard, as well.

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby Patriot1208 » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:39 pm

ResolutePear wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:
ResolutePear wrote:
gwuorbust wrote:ppl ask me all the time why I'm not going to get an MBA. but as an undergrad biz major it wouldn't make any sense, complete waste. but Econ + top6MBA = golden


THIS.

Econ + Top6 MBA is a golden ticket in the business world.

If you do a business major, do an MA in accounting or go to law school, imo.


You are really missing the point of an MBA, it's to further an already established career. Who cares what the undergrad major was at that point?


ITE, diversity is a good thing - especially with degrees which give you practical skills and relevant experience(Engineering, Economics, hard sciences, Computer Science, etc.).

I'd agree if economists and business majors both had similar job prospects - but I'm only speaking from experience when I say, I've usually seen economics majors in "better" positions. It could also be that local business programs just suck from what I've heard, as well.


Maybe we are just talking past each other, but I'm specifically referring to WE that will get you into the best MBA programs in the country. Generally, those people, have no problems.

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:41 pm

Patriot1208 wrote:
ResolutePear wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:
ResolutePear wrote:
THIS.

Econ + Top6 MBA is a golden ticket in the business world.

If you do a business major, do an MA in accounting or go to law school, imo.


You are really missing the point of an MBA, it's to further an already established career. Who cares what the undergrad major was at that point?


ITE, diversity is a good thing - especially with degrees which give you practical skills and relevant experience(Engineering, Economics, hard sciences, Computer Science, etc.).

I'd agree if economists and business majors both had similar job prospects - but I'm only speaking from experience when I say, I've usually seen economics majors in "better" positions. It could also be that local business programs just suck from what I've heard, as well.


Maybe we are just talking past each other, but I'm specifically referring to WE that will get you into the best MBA programs in the country. Generally, those people, have no problems.


Good call. Yes, I agree with that.

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby minnbills » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:58 pm

I'm a double major in History and Poly sci.

I love history, i've been able to develop fairly strong writing, analytical and reading skills through this major.

Poly has been a waste of time, I've noticed the quality of professors is lower and the classes aren't terribly interesting or informative. I don't feel like I've picked much up from those courses. On the other hand, I've had a few HIST professors challenge me and I've grown intellecutally form it. If I could go back, I would have dropped the Poly sci and gotten a minor in French (I'm already fluent) and a minor in finance or econ.

The bright side of Poly Sci is that it's a pretty easy major to get a good GPA out of.

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby ResolutePear » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:09 am

minnbills wrote:I'm a double major in History and Poly sci.

I love history, i've been able to develop fairly strong writing, analytical and reading skills through this major.

Poly has been a waste of time, I've noticed the quality of professors is lower and the classes aren't terribly interesting or informative. I don't feel like I've picked much up from those courses. On the other hand, I've had a few HIST professors challenge me and I've grown intellecutally form it. If I could go back, I would have dropped the Poly sci and gotten a minor in French (I'm already fluent) and a minor in finance or econ.

The bright side of Poly Sci is that it's a pretty easy major to get a good GPA out of.


Totally disagree. I find that Poli. Sci. is a very interesting degree to double major with if you ever want to participate in politics on any level from being a consultant to a candidate. And let's face it - as a lawyer, you're in the best possible position to run for office, generally speaking. It also depends on what type of courses you're taking. Taking stuff like Constitutional/International Law and senior-level classes from the moment you get to upper-division will yield different results.

Any liberal art you take sans economics will ultimately be useless outside of a very specific context. Just curious, what can you do with a History major that ranks above a Poli. Sci? Or any other liberal arts major?

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby $1.99 » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:21 am

this is why i stay away from all undergrads. naive adolescents who dont know what they are talking about. go focus on your school work and stop worrying about law school. you aren't going to a t14 anyways. how do i know?

you dont have the brains to search this topic through the forum search and you are wasting time on this board with a common sense question. you need other ppl to tell you what to study? do you need your mommy to pick out your school outfit every morning?

go drink some milk ivan and hit the sack. its your bedtime.

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby minnbills » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:48 am

I don't think there's much difference between a HIST or Poly Sci degree in terms of job prospects outside of their respective fields. I didn't suggest that there was. All I'm saying is that personally, I've found history a more rewarding degree and that the professors I've encountered have challanged me to my benefit. I've found the material more stimulating. This isn't to say that there haven't been some bright spots in poly sci. My course on international relations was great, and the course I'll be taking next semester on Conlaw is supposedly awesome. But most of my courses have been rather dry and the professors more research oriented at the expense of education. I love politics and political thought, but I've found the major disappointing.

The jobs argument is kind of a moot point thought. As you pointed out, besides economics, a LA degree won't do much unless you're going for a very narrow, typical area related to your major- basically education.

Other than that, a B.A can get you an interview for entry-level positions in business.

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Re: Help me decide on a major .

Postby minnbills » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:50 am

$1.99 wrote:this is why i stay away from all undergrads. naive adolescents who dont know what they are talking about. go focus on your school work and stop worrying about law school. you aren't going to a t14 anyways. how do i know?

you dont have the brains to search this topic through the forum search and you are wasting time on this board with a common sense question. you need other ppl to tell you what to study? do you need your mommy to pick out your school outfit every morning?

go drink some milk ivan and hit the sack. its your bedtime.


The OP was just asking for advice, sheesh. Most people who post with these questions already know the answer anyways, they just look for confirmation.




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