Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

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Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby anstud06 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:57 am

1. 75+ LSAT, 75+ GPA
2. 75+ LSAT, 50+ GPA
3. 75+ LSAT, 25+ GPA
4. 75+ LSAT, 25 GPA (by 25, I mean all up to and including)
5. 75+ GPA, 50+ LSAT
6. 75+ GPA, 25+ LSAT
7. 75+ GPA, 25 LSAT
8. 50+ LSAT, 50+ GPA

If you don’t fall into one of these 8 categories, it’s game over. Agree/disagree? I also think they're able to able to fill their class by #5.
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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby achilles » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:03 pm

i hope not since i'm 75+ LSAT and 25- (just barely though) GPA for many of my schools.

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby mrwarre85 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:15 pm

It seems that is generally correct but there are schools that will take a low GPA if you can convince them you aren't lazy. For recording purposes, a 2.7 doesn't hurt them any more than a 3.2 if both are below the 25 median. That is beside your point though.

I basically agree.

EDIT actually I would move #8 in front of #6
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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby cinefile 17 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:16 pm

I actually think that schools that put a lot of emphasis on LSAT will take a candidate that is 75++ on the LSAT and below 25 GPA. If you have a 175+, you have a great shot at a T6 even with a 3.3 or 3.4 which is below their median.

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Postby sch6les » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:16 pm

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby cinefile 17 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:17 pm

mrwarre85 wrote:a 2.7 doesn't hurt them any more than a 3.2 if both are below the 25 median.


I'm not so sure about this.

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby St.Remy » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:17 pm

Yes OP you are correct, except for schools and/or situations where you aren't.

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby acrossthelake » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:21 pm

anstud06 wrote:1. 75+ LSAT, 75+ GPA
2. 75+ LSAT, 50+ GPA
3. 75+ LSAT, 25+ GPA
4. 75+ LSAT, 25 GPA
5. 75+ GPA, 50+ LSAT
6. 75+ GPA, 25+ LSAT
7. 75+ GPA, 25 LSAT
8. 50+ LSAT, 50+ GPA

If you don’t fall into one of these 8 categories, it’s game over. Agree/disagree?


Disagree. 75+ LSAT & 25- GPA happens.

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby achilles » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:22 pm

acrossthelake wrote:
anstud06 wrote:1. 75+ LSAT, 75+ GPA
2. 75+ LSAT, 50+ GPA
3. 75+ LSAT, 25+ GPA
4. 75+ LSAT, 25 GPA
5. 75+ GPA, 50+ LSAT
6. 75+ GPA, 25+ LSAT
7. 75+ GPA, 25 LSAT
8. 50+ LSAT, 50+ GPA

If you don’t fall into one of these 8 categories, it’s game over. Agree/disagree?


Disagree. 75+ LSAT & 25- GPA happens.


woo, thanks for the confidence boost.

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby mrwarre85 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:22 pm

cinefile 17 wrote:
mrwarre85 wrote:a 2.7 doesn't hurt them any more than a 3.2 if both are below the 25 median.


I'm not so sure about this.



It doesn't hurt them for recording purposes. The "median" is an actual person-- so with 5 people --> 4.0, 3.8, 3.5, 3.3, 3.2 --- the median is a 3.5. Again, with 5 people --> 4.0, 3.8, 3.5, 3.3, 2.7 --- the median is a 3.5.

They make not accept you because they want successful law students and a 3.2 student would likely have a better chance at success than a 2.7, but both of those two GPA's hurt them equally for recording purposes. If you can mitigate the 2.7 with a good addendum, work experience, etc, then it is basically a 3.2 at a lot of schools.

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:25 pm

LSAT is so important that a GPA below the 25th% will be overlooked by many, if not most, law schools. Several other factors come into play such as work experience, URM status & parents' donations to the law school building fund which is to be named after the applicant's grandfather.

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby achilles » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:25 pm

mrwarre85 wrote:
cinefile 17 wrote:
mrwarre85 wrote:a 2.7 doesn't hurt them any more than a 3.2 if both are below the 25 median.


I'm not so sure about this.



It doesn't hurt them for recording purposes. The "median" is an actual person-- so with 5 people --> 4.0, 3.8, 3.5, 3.3, 3.2 --- the median is a 3.5. Again, with 5 people --> 4.0, 3.8, 3.5, 3.3, 2.7 --- the median is a 3.5.

They make not accept you because they want successful law students and a 3.2 student would likely have a better chance at success than a 2.7, but both of those two GPA's hurt them equally for recording purposes. If you can mitigate the 2.7 with a good addendum, work experience, etc, then it is basically a 3.1 at a lot of schools.


some schools also calculate the average GPA, so lower GPAs would matter in that case

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby mrwarre85 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:35 pm

achilles wrote:
mrwarre85 wrote:
cinefile 17 wrote:
mrwarre85 wrote:a 2.7 doesn't hurt them any more than a 3.2 if both are below the 25 median.


I'm not so sure about this.



It doesn't hurt them for recording purposes. The "median" is an actual person-- so with 5 people --> 4.0, 3.8, 3.5, 3.3, 3.2 --- the median is a 3.5. Again, with 5 people --> 4.0, 3.8, 3.5, 3.3, 2.7 --- the median is a 3.5.

They make not accept you because they want successful law students and a 3.2 student would likely have a better chance at success than a 2.7, but both of those two GPA's hurt them equally for recording purposes. If you can mitigate the 2.7 with a good addendum, work experience, etc, then it is basically a 3.1 at a lot of schools.


some schools also calculate the average GPA, so lower GPAs would matter in that case



Yeah they may calculate it and even publish it in some of their brochures, but they don't report it to the people that create the law school rankings. There is a lot of pressure on schools to "move up" the rankings because it puts the schools on better financial ground.

I think there are a lot of schools that actually care very little about the rankings, though. This may be an uncommon view on TLS.

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby existenz » Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:45 pm

This is retarded.

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby 2014 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:55 pm

75+ GPA, 50+ LSAT
50+ GPA, 50+ LSAT

I would say both are better than 75+ LSAT, 25+ GPA

The general advice goes that if you can get at or above both medians you are in, whereas being at 75 LSAT in no way guarantees you admission.

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby 09042014 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:07 pm

cinefile 17 wrote:
mrwarre85 wrote:a 2.7 doesn't hurt them any more than a 3.2 if both are below the 25 median.


I'm not so sure about this.


Mathematically he is correct but most schools still care.

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby NV53A » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:08 pm

cinefile 17 wrote:
mrwarre85 wrote:a 2.7 doesn't hurt them any more than a 3.2 if both are below the 25 median.


I'm not so sure about this.


You don't have to be sure but that's just how math works.

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby NV53A » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:10 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
cinefile 17 wrote:
mrwarre85 wrote:a 2.7 doesn't hurt them any more than a 3.2 if both are below the 25 median.


I'm not so sure about this.


Mathematically he is correct but most schools still care.


As quoted by the President of LSAC, some deans of law schools do not understand how percentile works. They just want everybody with a high LSAT/GPA.

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby ahduth » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:13 pm

I can't tell what's going on in this thread, but it seems pretty sweet.

Anyone have tl;dr version?

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby 09042014 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:15 pm

NV53A wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
cinefile 17 wrote:
mrwarre85 wrote:a 2.7 doesn't hurt them any more than a 3.2 if both are below the 25 median.


I'm not so sure about this.


Mathematically he is correct but most schools still care.


As quoted by the President of LSAC, some deans of law schools do not understand how percentile works. They just want everybody with a high LSAT/GPA.


Well a lot of schools do clearly understand how the system works. UVA, Northwestern, WUSTL, Illinois come to mind. However these schools have more than USNRW to worry about. They want to have the best class possible. It's why UVA won't take people below 3.0, and why Northwestern will take poor GPA if you made up for it in other ways.

A low GPA with a high LSAT screams lazy. Not exactly who you want in your law school class.

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby bk1 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:22 pm

existenz wrote:This is retarded.

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby rayiner » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:26 pm

anstud06 wrote:1. 75+ LSAT, 75+ GPA
2. 75+ LSAT, 50+ GPA
3. 75+ LSAT, 25+ GPA
4. 75+ LSAT, 25 GPA (by 25, I mean all up to and including)
5. 75+ GPA, 50+ LSAT
6. 75+ GPA, 25+ LSAT
7. 75+ GPA, 25 LSAT
8. 50+ LSAT, 50+ GPA

If you don’t fall into one of these 8 categories, it’s game over. Agree/disagree? I also think they're able to able to fill their class by #5.


75+ GPA, 50+ LSAT should be just below 75+ LSAT, 50+ GPA. A 172/3.8 has a better shot at NYU than a 175/3.6.

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby ahduth » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:57 pm

Did we get this resolved? I need an executive summary or something, because it seemed urgent and important.

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby anstud06 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:23 pm

1. 75+ LSAT, 75+ GPA
2. 75+ LSAT, 50+ GPA
3. 75+ GPA, 50+ LSAT

Revised preference order with the guess that the top 25% goals for LSAT and GPA are filled from these three groups alone.

4. 50+ LSAT, 50+ GPA

fills out the middle 50% of the class

bottom 25% for GPA and LSAT is explained by URMS

previous #6 and #7 = game over

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Re: Preference Ordering of LSAT/GPA to predict chances

Postby Grizz » Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:25 pm

bk1 wrote:
existenz wrote:This is retarded.




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