Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

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Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby iwanta170 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:32 pm

I might apply to UVa early decision.

Let's say I get in...will I receive a refund from the other schools I applied to since I'll be cancelling those applications?

If not, should I wait until I hear back from UVa to apply elsewhere?

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby ArchRoark » Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:51 pm

I highly doubt it. I imagine a large amount of the app fee is used pay data input clerks to process/input your application into whatever database/application system they use. Even if they have yet to render a decision, most if not all schools have already done this with with your app.

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby bdubs » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:02 pm

iwanta170 wrote:I might apply to UVa early decision.

Let's say I get in...will I receive a refund from the other schools I applied to since I'll be cancelling those applications?

If not, should I wait until I hear back from UVa to apply elsewhere?


Seriously? If everyone was able to get refunds after withdrawing applications the number of applicants to each school would probably skyrocket. The application fee shows you are serious about attending the school, or in the case of a fee waiver shows that the school is (somewhat) interested in you.

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby bk1 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:04 pm

You receive a decision in 2 weeks...

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby iwanta170 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:33 pm

bk1 wrote:You receive a decision in 2 weeks...


So you're saying I shouldn't apply anywhere else until I hear back from UVA? That would mean mid November-early december

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby bk1 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:42 pm

iwanta170 wrote:
bk1 wrote:You receive a decision in 2 weeks...


So you're saying I shouldn't apply anywhere else until I hear back from UVA? That would mean mid November-early december


I'm assuming you're ED'ing to UVa right after you get back your October LSAT, meaning if you get rejected from there you'll still have your app in before Thanksgiving. There is probably a minimal difference in chances between those two weeks. If you want every little ounce of help you can get then I would send it in so you are with the flood of October LSAT takers rather than after it, but if you care about the money then you might as well wait.

I would pay $100 for 1% increase in my chances of acceptance, but I know this doesn't apply to everyone.

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby 09042014 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:44 pm

What are your numbers. I can tell you with pretty high confidence if you will get in to UVA ED.

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Postby iwanta170 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:46 pm

Desert Fox wrote:What are your numbers. I can tell you with pretty high confidence if you will get in to UVA ED.

3.84 lsdas and in-state
Took the october LSAT
What score do you think I need

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Postby 09042014 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:57 pm

iwanta170 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:What are your numbers. I can tell you with pretty high confidence if you will get in to UVA ED.

3.84 lsdas and in-state
Took the october LSAT
What score do you think I need


170

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby iwanta170 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:09 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
iwanta170 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:What are your numbers. I can tell you with pretty high confidence if you will get in to UVA ED.

3.84 lsdas and in-state
Took the october LSAT
What score do you think I need


170

Should I bother applying ED if I get between 166-169? Would I have a decent chance?

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby bk1 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:10 pm

iwanta170 wrote:Should I bother applying ED if I get between 166-169? Would I have a decent chance?


Probably waitlist considering you would be under both medians, but I have no idea how much of a boost being in-state is. I would at least try considering in-state.

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby vanwinkle » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:11 pm

iwanta170 wrote:Should I bother applying ED if I get between 166-169? Would I have a decent chance?

No, 170 or bust.

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby beachbum » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:13 pm

iwanta170 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
iwanta170 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:What are your numbers. I can tell you with pretty high confidence if you will get in to UVA ED.

3.84 lsdas and in-state
Took the october LSAT
What score do you think I need


170

Should I bother applying ED if I get between 166-169? Would I have a decent chance?


Probably not. UVA is incredibly median-conscious, and they typically require ED applicants to have at least one number at or above a median. Your GPA just barely (barely!) misses the cut, so you have to compensate for that shortfall with a 170+ LSAT. If your October LSAT doesn't measure-up, I can almost guarantee that you get thrown to the waitlist.

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby 09042014 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:14 pm

iwanta170 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
iwanta170 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:What are your numbers. I can tell you with pretty high confidence if you will get in to UVA ED.

3.84 lsdas and in-state
Took the october LSAT
What score do you think I need


170

Should I bother applying ED if I get between 166-169? Would I have a decent chance?


If you haven't graduated college, you should make sure you get to a 3.85 before your GPA is sealed forever. Otherwise it's 170.

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby Nom Sawyer » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:15 pm

Are you still in UG? If you havent graduated and can get your GPA up a little bit more, then you get a lot more leeway with a UVA ED especially as you are instate.

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Postby bk1 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:18 pm

Nom Sawyer wrote:Are you still in UG? If you havent graduated and can get your GPA up a little bit more, then you get a lot more leeway with a UVA ED especially as you are instate.


Yeah this won't matter as much for ED since he won't be able to update grades until January? Meaning his ED will be late and not as helpful.

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby Nom Sawyer » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:20 pm

bk1 wrote:
Nom Sawyer wrote:Are you still in UG? If you havent graduated and can get your GPA up a little bit more, then you get a lot more leeway with a UVA ED especially as you are instate.


Yeah this won't matter as much for ED since he won't be able to update grades until January? Meaning his ED will be late and not as helpful.


Oh I implied actually delaying his application until next year... probably be a better economy too if you give it another year before heading off to Law School.

(This is slightly ironic coming from somebody that's class of 2013 hahaha)

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby 09042014 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:20 pm

bk1 wrote:
Nom Sawyer wrote:Are you still in UG? If you havent graduated and can get your GPA up a little bit more, then you get a lot more leeway with a UVA ED especially as you are instate.


Yeah this won't matter as much for ED since he won't be able to update grades until January? Meaning his ED will be late and not as helpful.


Well he'll get WL'd and when his LSDAC gpa gets updated, he'll get in.

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby iwanta170 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:21 pm

Thanks for the advice. I'll retake in december and apply ED in early january if I don't get at least a 170 on the october LSAT

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby iwanta170 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:23 pm

My gpa dropped from 3.85 to 3.84 when lsac converted it..ugh!

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby Unemployed » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:24 pm

OP - I detect a fundamental confusion on your part with respect to what law schools are all about.

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby M.M. » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:09 pm

U Virginia 16 10 3.54-3.92 165-171

If UVA is U Virgina like I'm assuming, the stats for the school are above ... isn't OP above the median at 3.84? And wouldn't 170 put him above median too?

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Postby bk1 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:12 pm

M.M. wrote:U Virginia 16 10 3.54-3.92 165-171

If UVA is U Virgina like I'm assuming, the stats for the school are above ... isn't OP above the median at 3.84? And wouldn't 170 put him above median too?


3.85/170 are UVa's medians, iirc.

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby M.M. » Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:23 pm

bk1 wrote:
M.M. wrote:U Virginia 16 10 3.54-3.92 165-171

If UVA is U Virgina like I'm assuming, the stats for the school are above ... isn't OP above the median at 3.84? And wouldn't 170 put him above median too?


3.85/170 are UVa's medians, iirc.


I just checked the school profiles and what I said above is the 25th and 75th

If both of his scores are near the 75th (3.84 is a low closer to 3.92 than 3.54 and 170 is a lot closer to 171 than 170) shouldn't he easily get in?

3.84 is (just averaging the 25th and 75th very close to Harvard's average GPA, whereas 170 is 1 point under it's 25th ...

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Re: Are application fees refunded if I am accepted elsewhere ED?

Postby bk1 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:30 pm

M.M. wrote:I just checked the school profiles and what I said above is the 25th and 75th

If both of his scores are near the 75th (3.84 is a low closer to 3.92 than 3.54 and 170 is a lot closer to 171 than 170) shouldn't he easily get in?

3.84 is (just averaging the 25th and 75th very close to Harvard's average GPA, whereas 170 is 1 point under it's 25th ...


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=128236

I'm not going to get into the whole explaining statistics thing, but you are wrong. The way that many schools can drag their medians very close to their 75th percentile is by taking the right combination of splitters and reverse-splitters which results in a low 25th but a high median.

Schools care more about their medians than their 25/75 percentiles. The reason that Harvard is different is because Harvard doesn't really take splitters so they have a more "natural" median that isn't being gamed to a certain extent by using splitters.




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