The Dreaded Disclosures

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The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby theredman100 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:25 am

Hi,

I am sure this gets a lot of attention of the board, so bear with me.

Here is the deal:

Age 16: Vandalism (misdemeanor)
Age 18: Vandalism ( brought down to a misdemeanor)
Age 21: DUI


Now 25 and graduating from grad school with an MBA.


How much will my indiscretions hurt me? Has anybody had any experience dealing with several disclosures? I read the usual.."take ownership and responsibility" ....etc.
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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby Grizz » Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:26 am

Why do you want to go to LS if you have an MBA?

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby theredman100 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:33 am

Good question. I want to work in corporate law. The MBA gave me a fundamental understanding of the internal dynamics, economic ramifications, and strategy of a corporation.

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby haydee » Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:15 pm

Obviously, they're not going to help, but I don't think you're doomed.

Just be honest. Maybe you can work your checkered past into a personal statement. Highlight your accomplishments since then.

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby r6_philly » Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:20 pm

The first vandalism charge is about being young and stupid. Most people do the same things, some get caught. The second is worse you have to explain why you didn't learn the lesson the first time. The DUI is obviously bad, but everything considered it can probably be explained with the easiest since you were 21. I think you will be ok, but you should explain it well, and show that you finally learned the right lesson from those.

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby 09042014 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:20 pm

theredman100 wrote:Good question. I want to work in corporate law. The MBA gave me a fundamental understanding of the internal dynamics, economic ramifications, and strategy of a corporation.


I hope you didn't pay good money for that.

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby r6_philly » Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:27 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
theredman100 wrote:Good question. I want to work in corporate law. The MBA gave me a fundamental understanding of the internal dynamics, economic ramifications, and strategy of a corporation.


I hope you didn't pay good money for that.


Why not? I know plenty of people who don't have a fundamental understanding of those issues after 30 years working.

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby 09042014 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:28 pm

r6_philly wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
theredman100 wrote:Good question. I want to work in corporate law. The MBA gave me a fundamental understanding of the internal dynamics, economic ramifications, and strategy of a corporation.


I hope you didn't pay good money for that.


Why not? I know plenty of people who don't have a fundamental understanding of those issues after 30 years working.


MBA's are a joke. You are paying for networking.

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby r6_philly » Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:31 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
MBA's are a joke. You are paying for networking.


So it depends on where you got it from? Do you think the additional networking benefits make it worthwhile to do a joint JD/MBA?

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby Grizz » Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:36 pm

r6_philly wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
MBA's are a joke. You are paying for networking.


So it depends on where you got it from? Do you think the additional networking benefits make it worthwhile to do a joint JD/MBA?


No.

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby 09042014 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:37 pm

r6_philly wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
MBA's are a joke. You are paying for networking.


So it depends on where you got it from? Do you think the additional networking benefits make it worthwhile to do a joint JD/MBA?


I'm no expect, but common wisdom is that only top 10 or so MBA's are worth anything. There are exceptions like getting a cheap MBA to move up in your company.

I don't know about JD/MBA, but if you just want to work at a firm, I assume that is a big no.

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby r6_philly » Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:43 pm

Desert Fox wrote:I don't know about JD/MBA, but if you just want to work at a firm, I assume that is a big no.


Why? What about other joint degrees?

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby CanadianWolf » Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:06 pm

I know several electrical engineers & a few industrial management graduates who later earned MBAs. Those who remained with their corporate employers, the industrial management majors, are doing very well despite attending non-top 50 MBA programs. The electrical engineers all left their employers after earning their MBAs, only one of the three went to a very prestigious MBA school and is doing the worst--even though highly paid--of the three electrical engineers all of whom moved into high level sales & marketing positions. The other two do much better than biglaw associates. The EEs went to MBA school because they felt that their earnings had peaked early on in their careers & the industrial mgmt. folks needed the degree for career progression & advancement.
I know of some low paying industries that awarded significant promotions to employees who earned online MBAs or masters degrees in a relted business discipline such as training & development.

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby theredman100 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:49 pm

According to Businessweek rankings, the (MBA) school that I am attending is #13. This is when my grades and standardized tests are (for the most part) the variables considered. Now, however, with the added dimensions of my disclosures, I dont know if it will have a grave impact on my application.

I would not say that my schools starting salary is a "joke." 8)

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby 09042014 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:57 pm

theredman100 wrote:According to Businessweek rankings, the (MBA) school that I am attending is #13. This is when my grades and standardized tests are (for the most part) the variables considered. Now, however, with the added dimensions of my disclosures, I dont know if it will have a grave impact on my application.

I would not say that my schools starting salary is a "joke." 8)


Is that starting salary accurate?

Hofstra Law claims 160K but that is insane bullshit.

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby jfb » Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:08 pm

theredman100 wrote:Hi,

I am sure this gets a lot of attention of the board, so bear with me.

Here is the deal:

Age 16: Vandalism (misdemeanor)
Age 18: Vandalism ( brought down to a misdemeanor)
Age 21: DUI


Now 25 and graduating from grad school with an MBA.




How much will my indiscretions hurt me? Has anybody had any experience dealing with several disclosures? I read the usual.."take ownership and responsibility" ....etc.



Were u a graffiti artist?

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby reasonable_man » Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:08 pm

theredman100 wrote:Good question. I want to work in corporate law. The MBA gave me a fundamental understanding of the internal dynamics, economic ramifications, and strategy of a corporation.



You have no idea why you got the MBA first; do you?

On a serious note, as a practicing attorney, and someone that went through C&F in NY, do yourself a favor and disclose everything. Schools will not care (too much). But more importantly, if you fail to disclose now, the bar examiners WILL FIND OUT when they do a background check. The fact that you committed these offenses will not matter to them at all. The fact that you tried to hide it when applying to LS will matter a great deal and will delay your application.

In short, disclose.

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby theredman100 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:12 pm

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You have no idea why you got the MBA first; do you?
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Thank you for your input. With regard to the above, do you mean as opposed to getting my MBA second?

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby reasonable_man » Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:12 pm

theredman100 wrote:



You have no idea why you got the MBA first; do you?
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Thank you for your input. With regard to the above, do you mean as opposed to getting my MBA second?[/quote]


I meant because it will be useless to the practice of law.. And I was mostly just giving you a hard time.

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Re: The Dreaded Disclosures

Postby rdcws000 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:00 pm

theredman100 wrote:Hi,

I am sure this gets a lot of attention of the board, so bear with me.

Here is the deal:

Age 16: Vandalism (misdemeanor)
Age 18: Vandalism ( brought down to a misdemeanor)
Age 21: DUI


Now 25 and graduating from grad school with an MBA.


How much will my indiscretions hurt me? Has anybody had any experience dealing with several disclosures? I read the usual.."take ownership and responsibility" ....etc.


They will not hurt you at all as long as you disclose them, and don't make lame excuses for them. You could have committed even far worse offenses and been fine.




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