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mandobob wrote: I just graduated in June 2010 in Japanese. You?

I graduated in June too, in History. Small world!

mandobob wrote:

thesybarite wrote:Yes Mando - the quality of the clinics/courses in the States looks infinitely more appealing and interesting than Australia/New Zealand where I did my undergrad. So attractive yet so freaking difficult to break into. GAH! In saying that, I've only applied to one school so far so it's not a rational rant...

The only thing is that you can get a law degree for around £9000 compared to $100000 here!
Ah well.

Totally, a NZ LLB is $15k approx in NZD, which is around $11k US, and just over 7,000 pounds. Outrageous! Mind you, most starting salaries reflect this relatively low investment. Still, if my cycle goes poorly it's a very sensible option *grits teeth*

thesybarite wrote:

mandobob wrote:

thesybarite wrote:Yes Mando - the quality of the clinics/courses in the States looks infinitely more appealing and interesting than Australia/New Zealand where I did my undergrad. So attractive yet so freaking difficult to break into. GAH! In saying that, I've only applied to one school so far so it's not a rational rant...

The only thing is that you can get a law degree for around £9000 compared to $100000 here!
Ah well.

Totally, a NZ LLB is $15k approx in NZD, which is around $11k US, and just over 7,000 pounds. Outrageous! Mind you, most starting salaries reflect this relatively low investment. Still, if my cycle goes poorly it's a very sensible option *grits teeth*

true, true

hey eeeeeek
saw that you were the other georgetown admit on this thread, congratulations! would you mind telling us your rating by lsac? was it Superior or Above Average?
thanks

Hi there,

In at Georgetown.

Am a South Korean with B.S. and M.S. from Korea.

UG GPA: 3.28/4.3 (class rank: 88%), LSDAS: Above average

LSAT: 170 (Oct '09), 174 (June '10)

Hey guys just a quick question:

When filling out apps to law schools, where it says 'Citizen....Non-citizen Permanent Resident.....Other Non-Citizen', we would evidently tick the third box. My question is, after this when it says 'visa type', do you tick the box marked F-1 visa (since that is the one you would apply for) or do you tick 'none'. An adcomm had told me once to tick 'F-1', but I was wondering what you guys were doing....

Thanks and good luck!

mandobob wrote:Hey guys just a quick question:

When filling out apps to law schools, where it says 'Citizen....Non-citizen Permanent Resident.....Other Non-Citizen', we would evidently tick the third box. My question is, after this when it says 'visa type', do you tick the box marked F-1 visa (since that is the one you would apply for) or do you tick 'none'. An adcomm had told me once to tick 'F-1', but I was wondering what you guys were doing....

Thanks and good luck!

I marked the box F-1 visa since I'm currently an international student studying in the US

linda90 wrote:

mandobob wrote:Hey guys just a quick question:

When filling out apps to law schools, where it says 'Citizen....Non-citizen Permanent Resident.....Other Non-Citizen', we would evidently tick the third box. My question is, after this when it says 'visa type', do you tick the box marked F-1 visa (since that is the one you would apply for) or do you tick 'none'. An adcomm had told me once to tick 'F-1', but I was wondering what you guys were doing....

Thanks and good luck!

I marked the box F-1 visa since I'm currently an international student studying in the US

+1

All foreign students for the JD will have to enter on an F-1 unless you are a permanent resident, or will be getting married to an American citizen or something like that.

deadpoetnsp wrote:

linda90 wrote:

mandobob wrote:Hey guys just a quick question:

When filling out apps to law schools, where it says 'Citizen....Non-citizen Permanent Resident.....Other Non-Citizen', we would evidently tick the third box. My question is, after this when it says 'visa type', do you tick the box marked F-1 visa (since that is the one you would apply for) or do you tick 'none'. An adcomm had told me once to tick 'F-1', but I was wondering what you guys were doing....

Thanks and good luck!

I marked the box F-1 visa since I'm currently an international student studying in the US

+1

All foreign students for the JD will have to enter on an F-1 unless you are a permanent resident, or will be getting married to an American citizen or something like that.

-even if we havent actually applied for the F-1 (cos you need the I-20 from the school)...Cool thanks a lot!

I am so late to this, but what an amazing thread! I have spent majority of the afternoon trying to work out conversion of my British grades so this was such a great find, but I must admit I am more confused!

I am an American, who did undergrad in the UK. Most of my friends who are American and did their undergrad here too and got into US MA programs pretty easily. It seems their British grades worked to their advantage and spoke to their "uniqueness." I feel really lucky I was able to study abroad the entirety of my undergraduate degree, although wading through this is a bit daunting.

I received a high 2.1 (Second Class Honours, Upper Division) in Politics with Economics. I originally was going to take the test tomorrow, but I will be absent. I feel like my grades speak to a pretty solid GPA (and the horror stories of a 2:1 being converted to a 3.2 GPA are simply frightening! This really in no way speaks to what it means to get a 2.1 at University!), but my LSAT scores in PTs are not what I want. They would get me into a T1 80 - 100 schools, but not the one I want to go too. So I've decided to postpone my test tomorrow, but didn't foresee this would be the case and so regrettably I will be absent. I'll pick everything back up in June 2011, with a stronger score and an early start to apps! Has anyone here been marked absent? It's a decision I don't want to make, but I don't want to risk canceling or getting a low score.

Of course everyone wants to get a 170+, but I am trying to be realistic and would be pretty happy with a 165 - 170. With a 2.1 and 165 - 170, what range of schools am I looking at (I only asking this with my international grades to contend with)? I know where I want to go, but just was asking for some insight. Also have we yet to definitively say what a 2.1 equates to? Ultimately it sounds grades are not THE determining factor, but I guess I would find some comfort in knowing what GPA that is.

This is so great this exists! Good luck everyone!

ss701bm wrote:I am so late to this, but what an amazing thread! I have spent majority of the afternoon trying to work out conversion of my British grades so this was such a great find, but I must admit I am more confused!

I am an American, who did undergrad in the UK. Most of my friends who are American and did their undergrad here too and got into US MA programs pretty easily. It seems their British grades worked to their advantage and spoke to their "uniqueness." I feel really lucky I was able to study abroad the entirety of my undergraduate degree, although wading through this is a bit daunting.

I received a high 2.1 (Second Class Honours, Upper Division) in Politics with Economics. I originally was going to take the test tomorrow, but I will be absent. I feel like my grades speak to a pretty solid GPA (and the horror stories of a 2:1 being converted to a 3.2 GPA are simply frightening! This really in no way speaks to what it means to get a 2.1 at University!), but my LSAT scores in PTs are not what I want. They would get me into a T1 80 - 100 schools, but not the one I want to go too. So I've decided to postpone my test tomorrow, but didn't foresee this would be the case and so regrettably I will be absent. I'll pick everything back up in June 2011, with a stronger score and an early start to apps! Has anyone here been marked absent? It's a decision I don't want to make, but I don't want to risk canceling or getting a low score.

Of course everyone wants to get a 170+, but I am trying to be realistic and would be pretty happy with a 165 - 170. With a 2.1 and 165 - 170, what range of schools am I looking at (I only asking this with my international grades to contend with)? I know where I want to go, but just was asking for some insight. Also have we yet to definitively say what a 2.1 equates to? Ultimately it sounds grades are not THE determining factor, but I guess I would find some comfort in knowing what GPA that is.

This is so great this exists! Good luck everyone!

Hey dude,

Im kinda new to this too but ill give you my 2 cents (or pennies haha)

Im British and have a high 2:1 converted to a (disappointing?) 'above average' rating by LSAC. I was quite upset at this since i got a distinction from my programme but other posters here have managed to convince me that this international 'rating' may play to our advantage somewhat. this is because schools are likely to see an 'above average' as the median GPA for them. so i guess if youre going to a high school, then this may be good.
I dig what youre saying about taking it in June 2011, i may do that depending what i get tomorrow. Basically for me, in my situation, i want to go next fall (2011) and i hope to score around a 160-162 to get in the school i want (T50-100). im happy with this provided i get a good enough scholly - but we will see.

i dont know if i have helped you out much but good luck!

mandobob wrote:
Hey dude,

Im kinda new to this too but ill give you my 2 cents (or pennies haha)

Im British and have a high 2:1 converted to a (disappointing?) 'above average' rating by LSAC. I was quite upset at this since i got a distinction from my programme but other posters here have managed to convince me that this international 'rating' may play to our advantage somewhat. this is because schools are likely to see an 'above average' as the median GPA for them. so i guess if youre going to a high school, then this may be good.
I dig what youre saying about taking it in June 2011, i may do that depending what i get tomorrow. Basically for me, in my situation, i want to go next fall (2011) and i hope to score around a 160-162 to get in the school i want (T50-100). im happy with this provided i get a good enough scholly - but we will see.

i dont know if i have helped you out much but good luck!

Of course this is helpful! So I am guess I am hoping for "above average" ughhhh, I knew I should have gotten a first on my dissertation, stupid 2.1 overall grade, driving me insane. ANYWAY, life would be better if I had a first class degree, but I digress! It's good to get more information on how people's grades are translating because I have yet to see any real consistency. I feel pretty confident I would be "above average" too, but who knows and even with the above average rating! I am still unsure where that places me on the GPA spectrum so it's hard to gauge my future LSAT score and potential GPA to schools I should apply for.

Good luck on your test tomorrow! Let us know how it goes. If worst case scenario, you have another "international" student who will be prepping for June 2011 too!

ss701bm wrote:

mandobob wrote:
Hey dude,

Im kinda new to this too but ill give you my 2 cents (or pennies haha)

Im British and have a high 2:1 converted to a (disappointing?) 'above average' rating by LSAC. I was quite upset at this since i got a distinction from my programme but other posters here have managed to convince me that this international 'rating' may play to our advantage somewhat. this is because schools are likely to see an 'above average' as the median GPA for them. so i guess if youre going to a high school, then this may be good.
I dig what youre saying about taking it in June 2011, i may do that depending what i get tomorrow. Basically for me, in my situation, i want to go next fall (2011) and i hope to score around a 160-162 to get in the school i want (T50-100). im happy with this provided i get a good enough scholly - but we will see.

i dont know if i have helped you out much but good luck!

Of course this is helpful! So I am guess I am hoping for "above average" ughhhh, I knew I should have gotten a first on my dissertation, stupid 2.1 overall grade, driving me insane. ANYWAY, life would be better if I had a first class degree, but I digress! It's good to get more information on how people's grades are translating because I have yet to see any real consistency. I feel pretty confident I would be "above average" too, but who knows and even with the above average rating! I am still unsure where that places me on the GPA spectrum so it's hard to gauge my future LSAT score and potential GPA to schools I should apply for.

Good luck on your test tomorrow! Let us know how it goes. If worst case scenario, you have another "international" student who will be prepping for June 2011 too!

What ive been told is that we have to try harder on our LSAT cos its the only 'real' number that the school will see (since there wont be a GPA).....just destroy the LSAT and you should be good wherever with that 2:1. plus the schools will get to see your transcripts from the UK so they will know how good you are.

In ED at NYU. Cycle over. Unfortunately circumstances mean I have to ask to defer, but I'm still a pretty happy guy right now.

cigrainger wrote:In ED at NYU. Cycle over. Unfortunately circumstances mean I have to ask to defer, but I'm still a pretty happy guy right now.

So.....Berkeley or NYU?? i guess NYU.

cigrainger wrote:In ED at NYU. Cycle over. Unfortunately circumstances mean I have to ask to defer, but I'm still a pretty happy guy right now.

So you finally got the purple envelope! Major congrats cig!!!!

What were your numbers Cig?

ED means I've got to go to NYU and I would prefer it anyway .

Numbers are 171/Superior (First).

wow cig that is fantastic and just the kind of thing we need to see in this thread to get all our hopes up! congratulations

i am currently dealing with a massive fucking hangover and the only thing that could cure it is a fry up. why don't they do more fry ups in the states? i need my fried tomato and black pudding!!!

FlanAl wrote:wow cig that is fantastic and just the kind of thing we need to see in this thread to get all our hopes up! congratulations

i am currently dealing with a massive fucking hangover and the only thing that could cure it is a fry up. why don't they do more fry ups in the states? i need my fried tomato and black pudding!!!

...and haggis? it does go really well with a fry up!

Hey all you British students. How valuable is a Post Graduate Certificate? I am currently doing one(as an American), but when you hear that as a British person what does it really mean to you? It seems to be less valuable than a Masters but holds some weight. Anyone to weigh in?

things fall apart wrote:Hey all you British students. How valuable is a Post Graduate Certificate? I am currently doing one(as an American), but when you hear that as a British person what does it really mean to you? It seems to be less valuable than a Masters but holds some weight. Anyone to weigh in?

....in what? If its a PGCE (for teachers) then obviously it carries a lot of clout in the UK-for teachers. obviously a masters is more prestigious or whatever, but an extra qualification cant hurt at all

mandobob wrote:

things fall apart wrote:Hey all you British students. How valuable is a Post Graduate Certificate? I am currently doing one(as an American), but when you hear that as a British person what does it really mean to you? It seems to be less valuable than a Masters but holds some weight. Anyone to weigh in?

....in what? If its a PGCE (for teachers) then obviously it carries a lot of clout in the UK-for teachers. obviously a masters is more prestigious or whatever, but an extra qualification cant hurt at all

No it's not teaching, its in specific field of business. I am not that concerned because I am here more for work, but was wondering how much the schooling part really held.

FlanAl wrote:hey eeeeeek
saw that you were the other georgetown admit on this thread, congratulations! would you mind telling us your rating by lsac? was it Superior or Above Average?
thanks

sorry i just saw your post! thanks for the congrats
i was rated superior (you're talking about the foreign cas evaluation right?)

Oh hey, a foreign applicants thread!

Non-US citizen at US undergrad here.

Cycle's already over for me (in ED at Michigan), but good luck to everyone else!

Anyone have any information on if the visa process is any different for law school than it is for undergrad?