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NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:17 pm
by testmachine45
What the fuck...

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:22 pm
by bk1
They care about work experience.

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:27 pm
by testmachine45
Yeah but my letters are already in and this is a new development

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:30 pm
by testmachine45
This seems ridiculous cause how would a professor fill this out?

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:34 pm
by bk1
I didn't think they were mandatory? Maybe I didn't read the app carefully enough.

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:35 pm
by scruffs mcguff
testmachine45 wrote:This seems ridiculous cause how would a professor fill this out?


its NU, professors dont fill them out iykwim

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:35 pm
by testmachine45
Not only are they mandatory, they are in lieu of the letter of rec.

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:39 pm
by scruffs mcguff
Yeah I don't understand this:

Optional Career Progress Evaluation Form

Letters of recommendation are not required as part of the admissions process. If you choose to include recommendation information you must have your recommender complete our Career Progress Evaluation Form (in lieu of a letter of recommendation). The CPE Form should be completed by someone who can evaluate your professional work-related performance (current or former supervisor, clients or coworker). The CPE Form is available through LSAC as a downloaded supplemental form. It is also available as an electronic form on the Northwestern Law Admissions website.

But then it says they require 1 LOR under "Credentials"

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:42 pm
by bk1
So not mandatory. Probably to substantiate that you actually work.

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:44 pm
by scruffs mcguff
But it says if you choose to include recommendation info (a LOR?) then that person must complete the CPE (in lieu of a LOR?)

You know, let's be honest, I was probably burning $100 applying to NU anyway, maybe this will save me the money.

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:49 pm
by testmachine45
No, its required. I JUST CALLED THE OFFICE. They won't look at your rec without it.

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:52 pm
by bk1
Obviously. It's mandatory for LORs but LORs aren't mandatory therefore it is not mandatory for your application.

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:56 pm
by testmachine45
Their website lists it as Optional.

However, the facebook blog:

Letter(s) of Recommendation - As of the 2011 admissions cycle, we are NOT requiring letters of recommendation for our JD Programs. However, if you would like to submit one, it is required to be on our Career Progress Evaluation Form (CPE). We prefer that this form be submitted via LSAC and not sent directly to our office.


Lastly, I called the office and they said they may not look at recommendations without it. They also said you should be able to send it through LSAC. But I called LSAC and they said this would be impossible, there is no way for them to process it. Which means, I have to have my recommenders fill out this form after they just spent months doing my recommendations, including my professors.

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:59 pm
by Holly Golightly
From their twitter (http://twitter.com/nulawadmissions): 

Northwestern wrote:Are there a lot of questions out there about the CPE & LOR issues? Would a new post -- a kind of FAQ -- be helpful to anyone? Let us know!

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:10 pm
by 2014
Well that's one less school I have to apply to :)

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:00 am
by thesybarite
I just read the school requirements part of the application on LSAC, the evaluation seems mandatory. It is a huge pain. It's awkward, I've sent my LORs, I'm embarrassed to return to my previous employer asking for yet more (non-billable) hours of his time. Thank God he doesn't bill me.

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:36 am
by Eugenie Danglars
They don't require any sort of third-party recommendation, BUT if you do, you must submit a CPE form with the letter of rec. It seems that you could do the LOR online and then mail the form in or do both together via snail mail.

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:39 am
by kazu
thesybarite wrote: It is a huge pain. It's awkward, I've sent my LORs, I'm embarrassed to return to my previous employer asking for yet more (non-billable) hours of his time. Thank God he doesn't bill me.


This SO MUCH. I wonder if any other schools are going to throw these surprises at us in the next few weeks. :?

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:48 am
by padthai
Wait, I am so confused. Are we allowed to send in a recommendation letter, along with the form? Or is it explicitly in lieu of?

Also, even if the instructions specifically talk about work...

The CPE Form should be completed by someone who can evaluate your professional work-related performance (current or former supervisor, clients or coworker).


... if I want to submit a letter from my professor, do I have to ask him to fill out the form?
:shock: :shock: :shock:

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:50 am
by Lwoods
testmachine45 wrote:No, its required. I JUST CALLED THE OFFICE. They won't look at your rec without it.

When I called, the fact that neither are required was emphasized. I still have asked my two employer LOR writers to submit it (and they agreed... not sure if they've done so yet), but he made sure I knew neither were necessary.

ETA: He also stated it was in place of the LOR, not in addition to.

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:56 am
by Arbiter213
At this point I have almost no interest in applying to NU, and would forgo it if not for my fee waiver...

Anyone else just gonna skip sending LOR's?

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:29 pm
by Lwoods
Hmm... I just followed up with one of my former bosses who filled out the CPE, and she said it was weird that after she hit "submit" online, it brought her back to the Northwestern homepage, no "Thank you" page or confirmation email. Is this normal?

I'll call the office tomorrow, but I just thought I'd check here.

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:36 pm
by Dany
Arbiter213 wrote:At this point I have almost no interest in applying to NU, and would forgo it if not for my fee waiver...

Anyone else just gonna skip sending LOR's?

I'm not sending any. But I'm also gonna get straight up rejected. :mrgreen:

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:52 pm
by kazu
Arbiter213 wrote:At this point I have almost no interest in applying to NU, and would forgo it if not for my fee waiver...

Anyone else just gonna skip sending LOR's?

If I do apply (haven't decided yet although I do have a fee waiver) I'm not going to send anything either.

Re: NU Law Career Progress Recommendation Forms in lieu of LOR?

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:04 pm
by Arbiter213
kazu wrote:
Arbiter213 wrote:At this point I have almost no interest in applying to NU, and would forgo it if not for my fee waiver...

Anyone else just gonna skip sending LOR's?

If I do apply (haven't decided yet although I do have a fee waiver) I'm not going to send anything either.



I've actually changed my mind, and am just ignoring the CPE's and sending 4 letters. Worst case they're mad I didn't read directions/ didn't follow them. More likely they ignore my letters. Best case they don't care.