List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby 005618502 » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:24 pm

Just curious but would someone with a 3.71 and a 167 really go to Minnesota? i knwo its a good school, but those numbers could get you into a T14 i would think. Maybe thats hopeful thinking. But its like UVA, would a 3.85 and a 170 go to UVA? those are CCN numbers. It is just the combination of splitters that do it for these schools?

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby Hannibal » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:26 pm

It's why medians are a weird number to use. It is NOT an average.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby 005618502 » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:28 pm

Haha i know its not an average, but i am curious what the actual averages are.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby Hannibal » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:29 pm

jt1341 wrote:Haha i know its not an average, but i am curious what the actual averages are.


Me too. I'd also like to see average salary for hires out of schools.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby im_blue » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:38 pm

jt1341 wrote:Just curious but would someone with a 3.71 and a 167 really go to Minnesota? i knwo its a good school, but those numbers could get you into a T14 i would think. Maybe thats hopeful thinking. But its like UVA, would a 3.85 and a 170 go to UVA? those are CCN numbers. It is just the combination of splitters that do it for these schools?

Look at Minnesota's 25th/50th/75th percentiles: 3.36/3.71/3.84 and 159/167/168. They take a lot of splitters and reverse splitters, and probably throw money at some people who meet both medians. Illinois (25th = 163) and WUSTL (25th = 162) use the same strategy to reach their 167 median.

Besides, a 3.71 / 167 could only get into Cornell out of the T14, and their location turns off a lot of applicants.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby rayiner » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:42 pm

jt1341 wrote:Just curious but would someone with a 3.71 and a 167 really go to Minnesota? i knwo its a good school, but those numbers could get you into a T14 i would think. Maybe thats hopeful thinking. But its like UVA, would a 3.85 and a 170 go to UVA? those are CCN numbers. It is just the combination of splitters that do it for these schools?


3.71/167 won't get you into a T14 and 3.85/170 doesn't have more than an even shot at CCN.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby 005618502 » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:57 pm

rayiner wrote:
jt1341 wrote:Just curious but would someone with a 3.71 and a 167 really go to Minnesota? i knwo its a good school, but those numbers could get you into a T14 i would think. Maybe thats hopeful thinking. But its like UVA, would a 3.85 and a 170 go to UVA? those are CCN numbers. It is just the combination of splitters that do it for these schools?


3.71/167 won't get you into a T14 and 3.85/170 doesn't have more than an even shot at CCN.


but a 4.0/170 almost guarantees one of CCN and MAYBE a HYS, doesnt seem like that big of a difference. Though i guess it really is

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby im_blue » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:12 pm

Yale
2010:
3.81 / 3.91 / 3.96
171 / 173 / 176
3797 apps (12.9% increase)

2009:
3.82 / 3.90 / 3.96
170 / 173 / 176
3363 apps

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:40 pm

Does anyone have medians for Stanford & Cornell ?

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby GettingReady2010 » Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:10 pm

Hannibal wrote:It's why medians are a weird number to use. It is NOT an average.


What do you mean? I've always thought medians gave you the best idea as to whether or not you will be accepted.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby The Real Jack McCoy » Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:30 pm

im_blue wrote:Yale
2010:
3.81 / 3.91 / 3.96
171 / 173 / 176
3797 apps (12.9% increase)

2009:
3.82 / 3.90 / 3.96
170 / 173 / 176
3363 apps


Things I like: lack of real increase in GPA scores.
Things I don't like: huge increase in apps.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby TaipeiMort » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:10 am

rayiner wrote:
miamiman wrote:tbf, it's one stupid point. you peeps need to stop freaking out.


I mean, it's just now clear where NYU got all those high LSATs to raise its median. :lol:


Chicago has 206 students instead of 180 this year. This could be because more students chose Chicago that was expected. I bet UofCs jump in the rankings played a big part in this jump. Who chose Chicago due to the rankings jump? Those students who were originally thinking about NYU but changed their minds due to the jump. Thus, the median could have been effected by these kids. In this light, Chicago's rise in the rankings may have negatively effected their LSAT median.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby im_blue » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:16 am

TaipeiMort wrote:
rayiner wrote:
miamiman wrote:tbf, it's one stupid point. you peeps need to stop freaking out.


I mean, it's just now clear where NYU got all those high LSATs to raise its median. :lol:


Chicago has 206 students instead of 180 this year. This could be because more students chose Chicago that was expected. I bet UofCs jump in the rankings played a big part in this jump. Who chose Chicago due to the rankings jump? Those students who were originally thinking about NYU but changed their minds due to the jump. Thus, the median could have been effected by these kids. In this light, Chicago's rise in the rankings location may have negatively effected their LSAT median.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby WestOfTheRest » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:17 am

im_blue wrote:
TaipeiMort wrote:
rayiner wrote:
miamiman wrote:tbf, it's one stupid point. you peeps need to stop freaking out.


I mean, it's just now clear where NYU got all those high LSATs to raise its median. :lol:


Chicago has 206 students instead of 180 this year. This could be because more students chose Chicago that was expected. I bet UofCs jump in the rankings played a big part in this jump. Who chose Chicago due to the rankings jump? Those students who were originally thinking about NYU but changed their minds due to the jump. Thus, the median could have been effected by these kids. In this light, Chicago's rise in the rankings location may have negatively effected their LSAT median.

Yea, I was just going to say... Wouldn't a ratings jump increase medians as more qualified applicants choose chicago? Your logic seems to suggest otherwise.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby dissonance1848 » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:24 am

When law schools report their LSAT and GPA medians, they are seperate pools. The median student at NYU, for instance, does not have a 3.71 and a 172. Instead, of the LSAT scores they get, 172 is about the median (probably rated by frequency relative to 171/173s). 3.71 is the median of the GPAs they recieve.

As some posters noted above, this explains the splitter friendly tendencies of WUSTL, Indiana, UIL, UMIN, etc. They get their high LSAT medians by taking splitters, and their GPAs by reverse splitters. If the numbers were their median students overall, then no splitter would ever get into those schools. Besides that, it would also mean that tons of people don't care about rankings and prestige, since the medians for Vandy are now about those of Michigan, etc.
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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby WestOfTheRest » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:33 am

dissonance1848 wrote:Here is the scene with the medians; the median for GPA and LSAT are for the exact 50% per section. The half the students at NYU are not above or below 3.71 and 172. They are split seperately.

One, the matrix for the LSAT GPA numbers are such that there are way fewer people than those medians would suggest. Two, if those were the numbers, then clearly the US News rankings don't mean shit, as tons of people who could go to Michigan or UVA would apparently be at Vandy or some such place.

WTF are you talking about. Please repost in english.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby whymeohgodno » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:39 am

Lmao. Yale medians. A good way to get depressed quick.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby im_blue » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:25 pm

Cornell
2010: 3.70 / 168
2009: 3.63 / 167

source: asked their admissions office

Looks like Berkeley now has the lowest median LSAT in the T14.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby whymeohgodno » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:29 pm

im_blue wrote:Cornell
2010: 3.70 / 168
2009: 3.63 / 167

source: asked their admissions office

Looks like Berkeley now has the lowest median LSAT in the T14.


This is extremely depressing news. Cornell...why did your median go up...WHYYYYYYYYY

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Postby im_blue » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:35 pm

whymeohgodno wrote:
im_blue wrote:Cornell
2010: 3.70 / 168
2009: 3.63 / 167

source: asked their admissions office

Looks like Berkeley now has the lowest median LSAT in the T14.


This is extremely depressing news. Cornell...why did your median go up...WHYYYYYYYYY

I figure they eventually had to pass GW, Texas, WUSTL, and Minnesota in medians to be worthy of the T14. They're still behind Vandy and UCLA.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby whymeohgodno » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:36 pm

im_blue wrote:
whymeohgodno wrote:
im_blue wrote:Cornell
2010: 3.70 / 168
2009: 3.63 / 167

source: asked their admissions office

Looks like Berkeley now has the lowest median LSAT in the T14.


This is extremely depressing news. Cornell...why did your median go up...WHYYYYYYYYY

I figure they eventually had to pass GW, Texas, WUSTL, and Minnesota in medians to be worthy of the T14. They're still behind Vandy and UCLA.


Medians better drop this year. 167 please. Maybe 166. 165 would make me happy as well. 8)

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby 005618502 » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:54 pm

whymeohgodno wrote:
im_blue wrote:
whymeohgodno wrote:
im_blue wrote:Cornell
2010: 3.70 / 168
2009: 3.63 / 167

source: asked their admissions office

Looks like Berkeley now has the lowest median LSAT in the T14.


This is extremely depressing news. Cornell...why did your median go up...WHYYYYYYYYY

I figure they eventually had to pass GW, Texas, WUSTL, and Minnesota in medians to be worthy of the T14. They're still behind Vandy and UCLA.


Medians better drop this year. 167 please. Maybe 166. 165 would make me happy as well. 8)


Very few people are as Cornell crazy as you are, may i ask why Cornell?

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby whymeohgodno » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:00 pm

Very few people are as Cornell crazy as you are, may i ask why Cornell?


The only places I would consider going to law school is either in Boston, NY, and Chicago. I hate the west coast and I hate the south.

Also I'm paranoid about job prospects and would like to attend a t14 school. My gpa is around a 3.78 with a year left, and my PT scores seem to indicate that the t14 school I would best have a shot at is Cornell. I wouldn't have a realistic shot at Chicago, Columbia, NYU unless I perform better than my average on the real LSAT (which is unrealistic).

Thus it leaves me with Cornell.

I also love cold weather and upstate NY. Call me crazy but Ithaca is beautiful.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby 005618502 » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:03 pm

whymeohgodno wrote:
Very few people are as Cornell crazy as you are, may i ask why Cornell?


The only places I would consider going to law school is either in Boston, NY, and Chicago. I hate the west coast and I hate the south.

Also I'm paranoid about job prospects and would like to attend a t14 school. My gpa is around a 3.78 with a year left, and my PT scores seem to indicate that the t14 school I would best have a shot at is Cornell. I wouldn't have a realistic shot at Chicago, Columbia, NYU unless I perform better than my average on the real LSAT (which is unrealistic).

Thus it leaves me with Cornell.

I also love cold weather and upstate NY. Call me crazy but Ithaca is beautiful.


Crazy

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby im_blue » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:06 pm

whymeohgodno wrote:
Very few people are as Cornell crazy as you are, may i ask why Cornell?


The only places I would consider going to law school is either in Boston, NY, and Chicago. I hate the west coast and I hate the south.

Also I'm paranoid about job prospects and would like to attend a t14 school. My gpa is around a 3.78 with a year left, and my PT scores seem to indicate that the t14 school I would best have a shot at is Cornell. I wouldn't have a realistic shot at Chicago, Columbia, NYU unless I perform better than my average on the real LSAT (which is unrealistic).

Thus it leaves me with Cornell.

I also love cold weather and upstate NY. Call me crazy but Ithaca is beautiful.

I would say you're going to need a 167 to have any shot at a T14, and a 168 for a good shot. If that doesn't pan out this year, work on raising your GPA above 3.8 and reapply next year.




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