List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians Forum

[IAFG]

That said, if they have the placement edge, who effing cares what USNWR says.

Most of the people who frequent top-law-schools.com

Anyone who ignores placement data in the market of their preference and chooses based on ranking instead is retarded.

[im_blue]

Harvard 25th/75th

2010: 3.78 / 3.96, 171 / 176, 7610 apps (3.0% increase)
2009: 3.76 / 3.96, 171 / 176, 7391 apps

No median numbers available, but it's safe to say they haven't changed significantly.

A little surprised the GPA didn't go up more (that so-called 3.8 soft floor is a pretty porous floor), but good to see. I suppose the increase in apps won't raise your scores much if you are tied to a very small slice of acceptable LSAT scores.

Don't forget that 20% of HLS is URM, so many of them will be in the sub-3.8 group, along with the Ivy UGs, legacies, rich donors, etc. The floor is pretty much 3.8 for everyone else.

[kazu]

Don't forget that 20% of HLS is URM, so many of them will be in the sub-3.8 group, along with the Ivy UGs, legacies, rich donors, etc. The floor is pretty much 3.8 for everyone else.

Everytime you say this I get sadder

[Dany]

Harvard 25th/75th

2010: 3.78 / 3.96, 171 / 176, 7610 apps (3.0% increase)
2009: 3.76 / 3.96, 171 / 176, 7391 apps

No median numbers available, but it's safe to say they haven't changed significantly.

A little surprised the GPA didn't go up more (that so-called 3.8 soft floor is a pretty porous floor), but good to see. I suppose the increase in apps won't raise your scores much if you are tied to a very small slice of acceptable LSAT scores.

Don't forget that 20% of HLS is URM, so many of them will be in the sub-3.8 group, along with the Ivy UGs, legacies, rich donors, etc. The floor is pretty much 3.8 for everyone else.

Is a full 20% under-represented minorities, though? Just curious because typically Asian students are counted in minority statistics but have some of the best test scores and GPAs.

[The Real Jack McCoy]

Harvard 25th/75th

2010: 3.78 / 3.96, 171 / 176, 7610 apps (3.0% increase)
2009: 3.76 / 3.96, 171 / 176, 7391 apps

No median numbers available, but it's safe to say they haven't changed significantly.

A little surprised the GPA didn't go up more (that so-called 3.8 soft floor is a pretty porous floor), but good to see. I suppose the increase in apps won't raise your scores much if you are tied to a very small slice of acceptable LSAT scores.

Don't forget that 20% of HLS is URM, so many of them will be in the sub-3.8 group, along with the Ivy UGs, legacies, rich donors, etc. The floor is pretty much 3.8 for everyone else.

Yes, fair enough. Though it is 15% if you only count the four groups which receive a tangible boost (Afr Am, American Indian, PR, and Mex). The 20% figure counts "Hispanics" of any sort, but if there is a boost for non-Mex/PR Hispanics it is, by most accounts, pretty small. Source for percentage breakdowns:

http://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/S ... BA3457.pdf

[BruceWayne]

Placed a call to CLS -- they said LSAT median and GPA are unchanged.

Shown up by NYU.

CLS is superior to NYU in employment prospects ...

Unless you want to work at a NY law firm (i.e., everyone at NYU)

... campus ...

I recognize that some people prefer CLS, but there is no lacking for people who prefer the Village.

... etc.

Apparently "etc." = USNWR

What? CLS is superior in NYC employment prospects and especially in national employment prospects.

[ajmanyjah]

I don't know why people assume the higher GPAs are on purpose for west coast schools---

West Coast schools tend to give A+ more than east coast schools, couldn't this account for the GPA gap?

[St.Remy]

I don't know why people assume the higher GPAs are on purpose for west coast schools---

West Coast schools tend to give A+ more than east coast schools, couldn't this account for the GPA gap?

This would be relevant if only people from California went to Stanford and Berkeley. But people from all over the country go to those schools, so it is quite clearly a preference on the part of the adcomms at Stanford and Berkeley and not some oddity derived from their applicant pool.

[rundoxierun]

I don't know why people assume the higher GPAs are on purpose for west coast schools---

West Coast schools tend to give A+ more than east coast schools, couldn't this account for the GPA gap?

Hahaha... No. go do the math and figure the additional effect of an A+ vs an A and you will see why. Even at schools with an A+ very few people have more than 2 or 3

[Dany]

I don't know why people assume the higher GPAs are on purpose for west coast schools---

West Coast schools tend to give A+ more than east coast schools, couldn't this account for the GPA gap?

Hahaha... No. go do the math and figure the additional effect of an A+ vs an A and you will see why. Even at schools with an A+ very few people have more than 2 or 3

Are you talking about all UGs? Because that's certainly not true at large state schools. I average about 2 A+'s per semester, as do most of my friends who apply themselves.

[BruceWayne]

I don't know why people assume the higher GPAs are on purpose for west coast schools---

West Coast schools tend to give A+ more than east coast schools, couldn't this account for the GPA gap?

Hahaha... No. go do the math and figure the additional effect of an A+ vs an A and you will see why. Even at schools with an A+ very few people have more than 2 or 3

Are you talking about all UGs? Because that's certainly not true at large state schools. I average about 2 A+'s per semester, as do most of my friends who apply themselves.

Even at large state schools, when you factor in the math and science departments this is canceled out.

[Dany]

I don't know why people assume the higher GPAs are on purpose for west coast schools---

West Coast schools tend to give A+ more than east coast schools, couldn't this account for the GPA gap?

Hahaha... No. go do the math and figure the additional effect of an A+ vs an A and you will see why. Even at schools with an A+ very few people have more than 2 or 3

Are you talking about all UGs? Because that's certainly not true at large state schools. I average about 2 A+'s per semester, as do most of my friends who apply themselves.

Even at large state schools, when you factor in the math and science departments this is canceled out.

Science, yes. Math, no. Math is a joke here.

[4102011]

My UG only does A+s if the prof goes through this weird process and petitions for it and fills out forms, so I don't know anyone who does it (it doesn't affect our normal GPAs), so I was sad when I saw about LSAC and their <3 of A+s.

[Knock]

I don't know why people assume the higher GPAs are on purpose for west coast schools---

West Coast schools tend to give A+ more than east coast schools, couldn't this account for the GPA gap?

Hahaha... No. go do the math and figure the additional effect of an A+ vs an A and you will see why. Even at schools with an A+ very few people have more than 2 or 3

Are you talking about all UGs? Because that's certainly not true at large state schools. I average about 2 A+'s per semester, as do most of my friends who apply themselves.

Wow . I'm transferring down there .

Also, I go to a school on the west coast, and I don't get where you came up with the idea that west coast schools tend to give A+ more than east coast schools.

[rundoxierun]

I don't know why people assume the higher GPAs are on purpose for west coast schools---

West Coast schools tend to give A+ more than east coast schools, couldn't this account for the GPA gap?

Hahaha... No. go do the math and figure the additional effect of an A+ vs an A and you will see why. Even at schools with an A+ very few people have more than 2 or 3

Are you talking about all UGs? Because that's certainly not true at large state schools. I average about 2 A+'s per semester, as do most of my friends who apply themselves.

Your school is an exception. At most schools you get very few A+ grades. Even with that said, assuming about 120 credits or the equivalent the mathematical effect of an A+ is something like +.008 over the course of undergrad.

[lzyovrachievr]

Are you talking about all UGs? Because that's certainly not true at large state schools. I average about 2 A+'s per semester, as do most of my friends who apply themselves.

This makes me sad.

[Dany]

I don't know why people assume the higher GPAs are on purpose for west coast schools---

West Coast schools tend to give A+ more than east coast schools, couldn't this account for the GPA gap?

Hahaha... No. go do the math and figure the additional effect of an A+ vs an A and you will see why. Even at schools with an A+ very few people have more than 2 or 3

Are you talking about all UGs? Because that's certainly not true at large state schools. I average about 2 A+'s per semester, as do most of my friends who apply themselves.

Your school is an exception. At most schools you get very few A+ grades. Even with that said, assuming about 120 credits or the equivalent the mathematical effect of an A+ is something like +.008 over the course of undergrad.

Eh, most of my friends go to state schools in my home state and have had a similar experience.

[BruceWayne]

Even at large state schools, when you factor in the math and science departments this is canceled out.

Science, yes. Math, no. Math is a joke here.

There is no accredited university where a mathematics degree is a "joke". About the only way a mathematics degree could be a joke, is if the professors didn't teach mathematics.

[Dany]

Even at large state schools, when you factor in the math and science departments this is canceled out.

Science, yes. Math, no. Math is a joke here.

There is no accredited university where a mathematics degree is a "joke". About the only way a mathematics degree could be a joke, is if the professors didn't teach mathematics.

It didn't say a degree, it said a department. Most people take 1 math class and don't get a degree in it.

[im_blue]

Columbia

2010: 3.61 / 3.72 / 3.82, 170 / 172 / 175, 9012 apps (6.0% increase)
2009: 3.60 / 3.72 / 3.81, 170 / 172 / 175, 8505 apps

source

[Sentry]

With NYU now matching Columbia I'm hoping Chicago is now jonesing for 172s.

[2ofspades]

CLS is superior to NYU in employment prospects ...

Unless you want to work at a NY law firm (i.e., everyone at NYU)

What? CLS is superior in NYC employment prospects ...

You're right. I think I read that on TLS. It must be true.

... and especially in national employment prospects.

Umm....

CLS is superior to NYU in employment prospects ...

Unless you want to work at a NY law firm

[BruceWayne]

CLS is superior to NYU in employment prospects ...

Unless you want to work at a NY law firm (i.e., everyone at NYU)

What? CLS is superior in NYC employment prospects ...

You're right. I think I read that on TLS. It must be true.

http://www.leiterrankings.com/jobs/2008job_biglaw.shtml
http://www.leiterrankings.com/jobs/2008job_biglaw.shtml
http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... 2443758843
http://lawfirmaddict.blogspot.com/2006/ ... ement.html

... and especially in national employment prospects.

Umm....

CLS is superior to NYU in employment prospects ...

Unless you want to work at a NY law firm

[ajmanyjah]

I don't know why people assume the higher GPAs are on purpose for west coast schools---

West Coast schools tend to give A+ more than east coast schools, couldn't this account for the GPA gap?

Hahaha... No. go do the math and figure the additional effect of an A+ vs an A and you will see why. Even at schools with an A+ very few people have more than 2 or 3

Go and look up the difference in GPA between GW and Boalt... I know two old grades are gonna dock my GPA .04 or so....

[ajmanyjah]

I don't know why people assume the higher GPAs are on purpose for west coast schools---

West Coast schools tend to give A+ more than east coast schools, couldn't this account for the GPA gap?

This would be relevant if only people from California went to Stanford and Berkeley. But people from all over the country go to those schools, so it is quite clearly a preference on the part of the adcomms at Stanford and Berkeley and not some oddity derived from their applicant pool.

I'm gonna guess the West pulls from West more often....