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Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:50 pm
by tru
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Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:51 pm
by 09042014
rbgrocio wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
rbgrocio wrote:how? I fail to see how the LSAT has nothing to do with intelligence. In fact, I do not see any correlation between LSAT performance and law school performance.


Luckily we don't have to trust your judgment. LSAT has a higher correlation to first year performance than any other single variable.


I'm not asking you to trust my judgment. I still think the LSAT has nothing to do with being smart.


Then what exactly do you think separates LSAT test takers?

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:51 pm
by gdane
What it comes down to is that people on here get very defensive when anyone hates on the LSAT. They feel threatened. Doing well on the LSAT is their only claim to fame and it makes them feel good about themselves. The OP made a good point though, Mr. Desert Fox got a 170+ and so did he. Of course it only took Mr. Fox 1 shot (right?), but the OP still got it. I dont think the OP magically got "smarter" in 2.5 years, so it must've been that he finally learned the LSAT. So maybe we can say that doing well on the LSAT is more about learning how to take it and not necessarily being smart.

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:52 pm
by Bildungsroman
I personally think that anyone who gets under a 3.9 GPA is probably a lazy jerkoff with a lizard brain, but whatever. We could play "whose is biggest" all night long in this thread, but it won't resolve the underlying issue:

What is the significance of the fact that Dark Side of the Moon and The Wizard of Oz totally sync up?

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:52 pm
by rbgrocio
Daytukrjabs wrote:
rbgrocio wrote:
Daytukrjabs wrote:DF, if it helps you understand this concept, think about it this way.

I, a moron, got a 170+ on the LSAT. Sorry to undermine your intellect,

but you're not special :|



lol. Not the LSAT but I, without speaking English and after being in this country for a month, took the SAT and got a full scholarship to college. Really, standardized tests are crap. Imo they are not an indication of anything.


Are you saying that the disclaimer on the LSAT is true!?!?!?



What disclaimeR?

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:53 pm
by rbgrocio
gdane5 wrote:What it comes down to is that people on here get very defensive when anyone hates on the LSAT. They feel threatened. Doing well on the LSAT is their only claim to fame and it makes them feel good about themselves. The OP made a good point though, Mr. Desert Fox got a 170+ and so did he. Of course it only took Mr. Fox 1 shot (right?), but the OP still got it. I dont think the OP magically got "smarter" in 2.5 years, so it must've been that he finally learned the LSAT. So maybe we can say that doing well on the LSAT is more about learning how to take it and not necessarily being smart.




I agree with this.

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:54 pm
by gdane
Desert Fox wrote:
rbgrocio wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
rbgrocio wrote:how? I fail to see how the LSAT has nothing to do with intelligence. In fact, I do not see any correlation between LSAT performance and law school performance.


Luckily we don't have to trust your judgment. LSAT has a higher correlation to first year performance than any other single variable.


I'm not asking you to trust my judgment. I still think the LSAT has nothing to do with being smart.


Then what exactly do you think separates LSAT test takers?


Using the Powerscore books, taking LSAT prep courses that cost $$$$, using TLS. None of these relate directly to intelligence.

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:54 pm
by 094320
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Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:55 pm
by 09042014
gdane5 wrote:What it comes down to is that people on here get very defensive when anyone hates on the LSAT. They feel threatened. Doing well on the LSAT is their only claim to fame and it makes them feel good about themselves. The OP made a good point though, Mr. Desert Fox got a 170+ and so did he. Of course it only took Mr. Fox 1 shot (right?), but the OP still got it. I dont think the OP magically got "smarter" in 2.5 years, so it must've been that he finally learned the LSAT. So maybe we can say that doing well on the LSAT is more about learning how to take it and not necessarily being smart.



I'm not, and will not claim the LSAT is a perfect indicator of intelligence. However I'm sure it's a pretty good approximation. Any test will break down under extreme preparation.

Do you guys really think if you assembled a group of 100 180's and 100 160's, both groups would average the same intelligence? Really?

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:55 pm
by vespertiliovir
Bildungsroman wrote:We could play "whose is biggest" all night long

I would win

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:55 pm
by thecilent
Bildungsroman wrote:I personally think that anyone who gets under a 3.9 GPA is probably a lazy jerkoff with a lizard brain, but whatever.


ummm Okay, try some pre-med / engineering classes, then rethink this sentiment.

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:55 pm
by 09042014
Bildungsroman wrote:I personally think that anyone who gets under a 3.9 GPA is probably a lazy jerkoff with a lizard brain, but whatever. We could play "whose is biggest" all night long in this thread, but it won't resolve the underlying issue:

What is the significance of the fact that Dark Side of the Moon and The Wizard of Oz totally sync up?


Change that to 3.7 and I'll agree. I was lazy as shit.

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:56 pm
by thecilent
gdane5 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Then what exactly do you think separates LSAT test takers?


Using the Powerscore books, taking LSAT prep courses that cost $$$$, using TLS. None of these relate directly to intelligence.

:shock: :roll:

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:57 pm
by WestOfTheRest
thecilent wrote:
gdane5 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Then what exactly do you think separates LSAT test takers?


Using the Powerscore books, taking LSAT prep courses that cost $$$$, using TLS. None of these relate directly to intelligence.

:shock: :roll:

BAHAHAHAHA

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:57 pm
by rbgrocio
Desert Fox wrote:
gdane5 wrote:What it comes down to is that people on here get very defensive when anyone hates on the LSAT. They feel threatened. Doing well on the LSAT is their only claim to fame and it makes them feel good about themselves. The OP made a good point though, Mr. Desert Fox got a 170+ and so did he. Of course it only took Mr. Fox 1 shot (right?), but the OP still got it. I dont think the OP magically got "smarter" in 2.5 years, so it must've been that he finally learned the LSAT. So maybe we can say that doing well on the LSAT is more about learning how to take it and not necessarily being smart.



I'm not, and will not claim the LSAT is a perfect indicator of intelligence. However I'm sure it's a pretty good approximation. Any test will break down under extreme preparation.

Do you guys really think if you assembled a group of 100 180's and 100 160's, both groups would average the same intelligence? Really?



I think the point to be taken from this conversation is that you think you are smarter than 95 percent of ppl who score below your 170+.

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:57 pm
by 09042014
gdane5 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
rbgrocio wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Luckily we don't have to trust your judgment. LSAT has a higher correlation to first year performance than any other single variable.


I'm not asking you to trust my judgment. I still think the LSAT has nothing to do with being smart.


Then what exactly do you think separates LSAT test takers?


Using the Powerscore books, taking LSAT prep courses that cost $$$$, using TLS. None of these relate directly to intelligence.


Which is why I'm not saying 176 is smarter than 175. If you compare people who studied in the same ballpark of effort, it's probably a good approximation of intelligence.

However anyone who can't hit 160 with practice is stupid.

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:58 pm
by 09042014
rbgrocio wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
gdane5 wrote:What it comes down to is that people on here get very defensive when anyone hates on the LSAT. They feel threatened. Doing well on the LSAT is their only claim to fame and it makes them feel good about themselves. The OP made a good point though, Mr. Desert Fox got a 170+ and so did he. Of course it only took Mr. Fox 1 shot (right?), but the OP still got it. I dont think the OP magically got "smarter" in 2.5 years, so it must've been that he finally learned the LSAT. So maybe we can say that doing well on the LSAT is more about learning how to take it and not necessarily being smart.



I'm not, and will not claim the LSAT is a perfect indicator of intelligence. However I'm sure it's a pretty good approximation. Any test will break down under extreme preparation.

Do you guys really think if you assembled a group of 100 180's and 100 160's, both groups would average the same intelligence? Really?



I think the point to be taken from this conversation is that you think you are smarter than 95 percent of ppl who score below your 170+.


I do. Well of people who score noticeably below me. The score band for the last is very large, 6 points.

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:59 pm
by gdane
Remember that level intelligence is also subjective. I personally believe that a neurosurgeon that can take apart your head, take crap out of your brain and then put you back together as good as new is 2000x more intelligent than a lawyer working at a Biglaw firm. No matter what the lawyer does.

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:00 pm
by tru
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Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:00 pm
by 09042014
gdane5 wrote:Remember that level intelligence is also subjective. I personally believe that a neurosurgeon that can take apart your head, take crap out of your brain and then put you back together as good as new is 2000x more intelligent than a lawyer working at a Biglaw firm. No matter what the lawyer does.


QF having no fucking clue what intelligence means.

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:00 pm
by rbgrocio
Desert Fox wrote:
rbgrocio wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
gdane5 wrote:What it comes down to is that people on here get very defensive when anyone hates on the LSAT. They feel threatened. Doing well on the LSAT is their only claim to fame and it makes them feel good about themselves. The OP made a good point though, Mr. Desert Fox got a 170+ and so did he. Of course it only took Mr. Fox 1 shot (right?), but the OP still got it. I dont think the OP magically got "smarter" in 2.5 years, so it must've been that he finally learned the LSAT. So maybe we can say that doing well on the LSAT is more about learning how to take it and not necessarily being smart.



I'm not, and will not claim the LSAT is a perfect indicator of intelligence. However I'm sure it's a pretty good approximation. Any test will break down under extreme preparation.

Do you guys really think if you assembled a group of 100 180's and 100 160's, both groups would average the same intelligence? Really?



I think the point to be taken from this conversation is that you think you are smarter than 95 percent of ppl who score below your 170+.


I do. Well of people who score noticeably below me. The score band for the last is very large, 6 points.


:lol: :lol: :lol: You should put your score on your resume.

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:01 pm
by tru
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Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:01 pm
by 09042014
Daytukrjabs wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
gdane5 wrote:What it comes down to is that people on here get very defensive when anyone hates on the LSAT. They feel threatened. Doing well on the LSAT is their only claim to fame and it makes them feel good about themselves. The OP made a good point though, Mr. Desert Fox got a 170+ and so did he. Of course it only took Mr. Fox 1 shot (right?), but the OP still got it. I dont think the OP magically got "smarter" in 2.5 years, so it must've been that he finally learned the LSAT. So maybe we can say that doing well on the LSAT is more about learning how to take it and not necessarily being smart.



I'm not, and will not claim the LSAT is a perfect indicator of intelligence. However I'm sure it's a pretty good approximation. Any test will break down under extreme preparation.

Do you guys really think if you assembled a group of 100 180's and 100 160's, both groups would average the same intelligence? Really?


Of course not - the 180ers would come out as superior because the LSAT is not a learnable test.


With reasoning skills like that I can see why it took 2.5 years to break 170.

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:01 pm
by thecilent
Desert Fox wrote:Which is why I'm not saying 176 is smarter than 175. If you compare people who studied in the same ballpark of effort, it's probably a good approximation of intelligence.

However anyone who can't hit 160 without practice is stupid.


Agreed with you on pretty much everything except the bolded - which is really a dumb thing to say. maybe you mean 'with' practice (which is only marginally better)?

Re: Ask a guy who took the LSAT 7 times and now going to a T14

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:02 pm
by tru
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