New LSAC Evaluation Service

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby RidiculouslyObvious » Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:41 pm

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CastleRock wrote:To me it just sounds like a recommendation form like Stanfords. They give the evaluator some criteria to check or comment on and the evaluator does so.


Yup, that's what it sounds like. Although I think 30 categories is way overboard. I feel like this is just another burden on the recommenders, and won't truly make a big difference. Most people pick recommenders who think highly of them anyways.


I think the idea is this is supposed to eventually phase out/replace written recommendations, to make it easier on the law schools, who dont actually really read all of our recommendations anyway. This will turn the recommendation process into a more quantifiable thing for them, meaning less work for adcomms.
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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby Deuce » Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:42 pm

I already had 4 recommenders send in recommendations... will I need to ask 2 of them to do this for me?

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby thecilent » Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:43 pm

Ildeuce wrote:I already had 4 recommenders send in recommendations... will I need to ask 2 of them to do this for me?


Dude we all just found out about this too, so all we have are our recently formed opinions. But I would say no, you don't.

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby Knock » Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:44 pm

Ildeuce wrote:I already had 4 recommenders send in recommendations... will I need to ask 2 of them to do this for me?


No, you're set. I'm getting 2 generic LOR's and calling it a cycle personally. I'm honestly very skeptical of the ability of LOR to tell the school much. Plus it disadvantages those who attend state schools who have larger class sizes.

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby WestOfTheRest » Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:46 pm

Knockglock wrote:
Ildeuce wrote:I already had 4 recommenders send in recommendations... will I need to ask 2 of them to do this for me?


No, you're set. I'm getting 2 generic LOR's and calling it a cycle personally. I'm honestly very skeptical of the ability of LOR to tell the school much. Plus it disadvantages those who attend state schools who have larger class sizes.


LORs in general do this.

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby SullaFelix » Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:47 pm

It sounds to me like this is just a service for those who can't easily get LORs — and perhaps, as the earlier poster suggested, with the intention of eventually replacing them.

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby Deuce » Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:51 pm

CastleRock wrote:
Knockglock wrote:
Ildeuce wrote:I already had 4 recommenders send in recommendations... will I need to ask 2 of them to do this for me?


No, you're set. I'm getting 2 generic LOR's and calling it a cycle personally. I'm honestly very skeptical of the ability of LOR to tell the school much. Plus it disadvantages those who attend state schools who have larger class sizes.


LORs in general do this.


I was fortunate enough to meet/become close with 3 professors and work for a lawyer. I do know many people at my school (very large state) that are having a terrible time deciding on an academic LOR.

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby jtemp320 » Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:52 pm

No no a thousand times no! :shock: Dear LSAC you can't just add new requirements just as the cycle is about to kickoff- why, why do they do this?

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby Knock » Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:53 pm

jtemp320 wrote:No no a thousand times no! :shock: Dear LSAC you can't just add new requirements just as the cycle is about to kickoff- why, why do they do this?


Dude, LSAC is evil. You're just know figuring this out?!

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby thecilent » Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:58 pm

jtemp320 wrote:No no a thousand times no! :shock: Dear LSAC you can't just add new requirements just as the cycle is about to kickoff- why, why do they do this?


I really do not think it will matter (esp for this first cycle).

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby Hannibal » Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:02 pm

I'm hoping this will stay optional for the next few years at least. I really don't even want to think about another thing, though I think having LSAC send a link to an evaluator is way easier than getting them to write a letter and give them the form, etc.

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby thecilent » Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:04 pm

Hannibal wrote:I'm hoping this will stay optional for the next few years at least. I really don't even want to think about another thing, though I think having LSAC send a link to an evaluator is way easier than getting them to write a letter and give them the form, etc.


+1. This will def make it easier to get recommendations (/evaluations)

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby NonTradHealthLaw » Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:08 pm

I've filled out a few of these for interns applying to med school. They are a joke. Definitely a hardship (or at leas an annoying hoop) for non trads. Its so arbitrary to rank someone in top 50 top25 or top10 of referrers career and is so contingent on reputation of the recommender. Hopefully it will be optional for this cycle and die a quiet death.

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby thecilent » Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:12 pm

NonTradHealthLaw wrote:I've filled out a few of these for interns applying to med school. They are a joke. Definitely a hardship (or at leas an annoying hoop) for non trads. Its so arbitrary to rank someone in top 50 top25 or top10 of referrers career and is so contingent on reputation of the recommender. Hopefully it will be optional for this cycle and die a quiet death.


I don't think it is going to die; actually, I think it might totally rework the LOR process in the future

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby jtemp320 » Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:22 pm

Knockglock wrote:
jtemp320 wrote:No no a thousand times no! :shock: Dear LSAC you can't just add new requirements just as the cycle is about to kickoff- why, why do they do this?


Dude, LSAC is evil. You're just know figuring this out?!


No but it never ceases to amaze me - they are the ones who invented the LSAT - how could they be anything else?

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby Knock » Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:59 pm

jtemp320 wrote:
Knockglock wrote:
jtemp320 wrote:No no a thousand times no! :shock: Dear LSAC you can't just add new requirements just as the cycle is about to kickoff- why, why do they do this?


Dude, LSAC is evil. You're just know figuring this out?!


No but it never ceases to amaze me - they are the ones who invented the LSAT - how could they be anything else?


See their LSDAS "level playing field" system, and their CRS fee-waivers not working for people who took the LSAT from a past cycle :x. You know how the saying goes...if you can't do, teach; if you can't teach, teach gym; if you can't teach gym, work at LSAC.

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby WestOfTheRest » Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:36 pm

Knockglock wrote:
jtemp320 wrote:
Knockglock wrote:
jtemp320 wrote:No no a thousand times no! :shock: Dear LSAC you can't just add new requirements just as the cycle is about to kickoff- why, why do they do this?


Dude, LSAC is evil. You're just know figuring this out?!


No but it never ceases to amaze me - they are the ones who invented the LSAT - how could they be anything else?


See their LSDAS "level playing field" system, and their CRS fee-waivers not working for people who took the LSAT from a past cycle :x. You know how the saying goes...if you can't do, teach; if you can't teach, teach gym; if you can't teach gym, work at LSAC.


Fee waivers worked for me a cycle after I took.

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby Knock » Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:37 pm

CastleRock wrote:
Knockglock wrote:
jtemp320 wrote:
Knockglock wrote:Dude, LSAC is evil. You're just know figuring this out?!


No but it never ceases to amaze me - they are the ones who invented the LSAT - how could they be anything else?


See their LSDAS "level playing field" system, and their CRS fee-waivers not working for people who took the LSAT from a past cycle :x. You know how the saying goes...if you can't do, teach; if you can't teach, teach gym; if you can't teach gym, work at LSAC.


Fee waivers worked for me a cycle after I took.


Oops should have been more specific. People applying for the upcoming cycle who took a LSAT associated with the previous cycle don't show up on CRS searches and so don't receive unsolicited fee waivers that they should have gotten for their numbers. They have to contact the schools themselves to request a fee waiver.

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby thecilent » Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:52 pm

Knockglock wrote:Oops should have been more specific. People applying for the upcoming cycle who took a LSAT associated with the previous cycle don't show up on CRS searches and so don't receive unsolicited fee waivers that they should have gotten for their numbers. They have to contact the schools themselves to request a fee waiver.


*sigh* Yeah, I hate this.

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby WestOfTheRest » Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:57 pm

Knockglock wrote:Oops should have been more specific. People applying for the upcoming cycle who took a LSAT associated with the previous cycle don't show up on CRS searches and so don't receive unsolicited fee waivers that they should have gotten for their numbers. They have to contact the schools themselves to request a fee waiver.

Honestly, I think you are blaming LSAC for an inherently flawed system. LSDAS is not unfair, it's an attempt to make things more fair. We can argue about A+s all day, but the fact of the matter is that they had to draw the line somewhere and that's where they chose to do it. Better that way than having 100 different ways of calculating grades.\

As for the CRS, when should LSAC draw the line? A name should not be in the CRS forever, since everyone will either eventually go to law school or choose not to. So at what date should they remove your name from the CRS? A year after your LSAT sounds reasonable to me.

Finally, those who complain about the LSAT (not saying that you are), should realize that it is one of the only reasonable ways of grouping around 100,000 applicants each year. GPA is not standard accross the board, as we all know. Interviewing every applicant is not plausible. And basing decisions off of self reported data is just stupid. I feel bad for those who struggle with standardized tests, but that is part of life. If they can outperform their numbers they can hopefully outperform the rest of their class in 1L and transfer.

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby thecilent » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:03 pm

CastleRock wrote:
Knockglock wrote:Oops should have been more specific. People applying for the upcoming cycle who took a LSAT associated with the previous cycle don't show up on CRS searches and so don't receive unsolicited fee waivers that they should have gotten for their numbers. They have to contact the schools themselves to request a fee waiver.

Honestly, I think you are blaming LSAC for an inherently flawed system. LSDAS is not unfair, it's an attempt to make things more fair. We can argue about A+s all day, but the fact of the matter is that they had to draw the line somewhere and that's where they chose to do it. Better that way than having 100 different ways of calculating grades.\

As for the CRS, when should LSAC draw the line? A name should not be in the CRS forever, since everyone will either eventually go to law school or choose not to. So at what date should they remove your name from the CRS? A year after your LSAT sounds reasonable to me.

Finally, those who complain about the LSAT (not saying that you are), should realize that it is one of the only reasonable ways of grouping around 100,000 applicants each year. GPA is not standard accross the board, as we all know. Interviewing every applicant is not plausible. And basing decisions off of self reported data is just stupid. I feel bad for those who struggle with standardized tests, but that is part of life. If they can outperform their numbers they can hopefully outperform the rest of their class in 1L and transfer.


I was just complaining about CRS. And it isn't a year after your lsat, it's a year after you sign up for the service. Should at least be 2 years

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby WestOfTheRest » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:13 pm

thecilent wrote:
CastleRock wrote:
Knockglock wrote:Oops should have been more specific. People applying for the upcoming cycle who took a LSAT associated with the previous cycle don't show up on CRS searches and so don't receive unsolicited fee waivers that they should have gotten for their numbers. They have to contact the schools themselves to request a fee waiver.

Honestly, I think you are blaming LSAC for an inherently flawed system. LSDAS is not unfair, it's an attempt to make things more fair. We can argue about A+s all day, but the fact of the matter is that they had to draw the line somewhere and that's where they chose to do it. Better that way than having 100 different ways of calculating grades.\

As for the CRS, when should LSAC draw the line? A name should not be in the CRS forever, since everyone will either eventually go to law school or choose not to. So at what date should they remove your name from the CRS? A year after your LSAT sounds reasonable to me.

Finally, those who complain about the LSAT (not saying that you are), should realize that it is one of the only reasonable ways of grouping around 100,000 applicants each year. GPA is not standard accross the board, as we all know. Interviewing every applicant is not plausible. And basing decisions off of self reported data is just stupid. I feel bad for those who struggle with standardized tests, but that is part of life. If they can outperform their numbers they can hopefully outperform the rest of their class in 1L and transfer.


I was just complaining about CRS. And it isn't a year after your lsat, it's a year after you sign up for the service. Should at least be 2 years

Then how am I getting fee waivers via CRS this cycle? I signed up in 08. And I am getting waivers from schools I had previously not received them from.

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby Hannibal » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:16 pm

On the plus side, NEW LSAC SITE!

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby thecilent » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:21 pm

CastleRock wrote:Then how am I getting fee waivers via CRS this cycle? I signed up in 08. And I am getting waivers from schools I had previously not received them from.


Idk. I was under the impression it was a year from signing up. I took the lsat last December, and haven't gotten anything for this cycle.

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Re: New LSAC Evaluation Service

Postby WestOfTheRest » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:27 pm

thecilent wrote:
CastleRock wrote:Then how am I getting fee waivers via CRS this cycle? I signed up in 08. And I am getting waivers from schools I had previously not received them from.


Idk. I was under the impression it was a year from signing up. I took the lsat last December, and haven't gotten anything for this cycle.

Last year most of my fee waivers came in september to november.




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