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Is median a target or a reach?
If my numbers are at or just below the medians and LSN puts me at Consider should I think of that as a reach school or a target school?
I'm trying to decide how high I should bother to apply. Does an LSN consider and a median numbers mean about a 50/50 chance of getting in?
I'm trying to decide how high I should bother to apply. Does an LSN consider and a median numbers mean about a 50/50 chance of getting in?
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
At median = TargetHey-O wrote:If my numbers are at or just below the medians and LSN puts me at Consider should I think of that as a reach school or a target school?
I'm trying to decide how high I should bother to apply. Does an LSN consider and a median numbers mean about a 50/50 chance of getting in?
Below = Reach
But a lot depends on the school. For example, if you are at LSAT median but way below GPA median for Vandy, you are likely out. They are not splitter friendly. But if you hit median and are below GPA median for WUSTL, you are almost certainly in. So a 168/3.1 may be a reach for Vandy, but a 167/3.1 for WUSTL is almost certainly in, so it is more of a safe target.
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
+1.romothesavior wrote:a lot depends on the school.
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
I don't think there is a universal answer. It depends a lot on which schools you're talking about and if it's your GPA or your LSAT that's at median or below median.
The real answer is that you should put forward your best application regardless. After that all you can say is "alea iacta est".
The real answer is that you should put forward your best application regardless. After that all you can say is "alea iacta est".
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
Thanks for the replies. I'm re-applying so I can't count on fee waivers and I have limited funds so I'm trying to limit the number of reaches and determine what is the best bet for my application time, money and energy.
Specifically I'm trying to decide on paying out the hefty fees to apply to Yale and Harvard. I'm slightly below both medians at Yale and I'm at medians for Harvard. LSN says 40% for both. I know I'm a likely ding, but I'm trying to gauge how likely a ding I'm going to be and if it would be worth the money it costs to send in the application.
I'm also trying to decide how far below T6 I should venture as safeties.
Specifically I'm trying to decide on paying out the hefty fees to apply to Yale and Harvard. I'm slightly below both medians at Yale and I'm at medians for Harvard. LSN says 40% for both. I know I'm a likely ding, but I'm trying to gauge how likely a ding I'm going to be and if it would be worth the money it costs to send in the application.
I'm also trying to decide how far below T6 I should venture as safeties.
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
With your scores, it's definitely worth it to apply. It seems that predictions only somewhat work with Harvard and Yale. You need good scores to get in, but once you've reached a certain threshold, it's more of a guess. If you've got 40 percent chances, obviously that's not good, but it's a shot. If you somehow happen to get in, the application fee will be worth it.
As far as safeties go, I'd ask schools for fee waivers and do most of the T14 if you are just going for rank. You can use offers as leverage for funds later.
As far as safeties go, I'd ask schools for fee waivers and do most of the T14 if you are just going for rank. You can use offers as leverage for funds later.
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
If you are that close I'd say it's definitely worth it to apply at HYS. With those numbers and if you're on a budget for applications I don't think you have to venture too far out of the T6. Don't bother with Cornell or Georgetown that's for sure.
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
How about GW?romothesavior wrote:At median = TargetHey-O wrote:If my numbers are at or just below the medians and LSN puts me at Consider should I think of that as a reach school or a target school?
I'm trying to decide how high I should bother to apply. Does an LSN consider and a median numbers mean about a 50/50 chance of getting in?
Below = Reach
But a lot depends on the school. For example, if you are at LSAT median but way below GPA median for Vandy, you are likely out. They are not splitter friendly. But if you hit median and are below GPA median for WUSTL, you are almost certainly in. So a 168/3.1 may be a reach for Vandy, but a 167/3.1 for WUSTL is almost certainly in, so it is more of a safe target.
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
Hey-O wrote:I'm slightly below both medians at Yale and I'm at medians for Harvard.
Apply to both for the love of everything you consider dear. Sell things on craigslist to get the money if you have to. Consider selling yourself if you have no tangible assets. This is not a difficult question.
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
+1. Are you damn serious? Applications are nothing compared to the future costs of law school, which are similarly small compared to the future salaries of HLS and Yale grads.Bumi wrote:Hey-O wrote:I'm slightly below both medians at Yale and I'm at medians for Harvard.
Apply to both for the love of everything you consider dear. Sell things on craigslist to get the money if you have to. Consider selling yourself if you have no tangible assets. This is not a difficult question.
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
Hannibal wrote:+1. Are you damn serious? Applications are nothing compared to the future costs of law school, which are similarly small compared to the future salaries of HLS and Yale grads.Bumi wrote:Hey-O wrote:I'm slightly below both medians at Yale and I'm at medians for Harvard.
Apply to both for the love of everything you consider dear. Sell things on craigslist to get the money if you have to. Consider selling yourself if you have no tangible assets. This is not a difficult question.
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
How is this possible when Harvard (3.89/173) and Yale (3.90/173) have virtually identical medians? If you had to choose one, Harvard would be the safer choice.Hey-O wrote:I'm slightly below both medians at Yale and I'm at medians for Harvard. LSN says 40% for both.
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
No no no. If you had to choose one, choosing both is the safer choice. This shouldn't be a conversation. If you are close to medians at Harvard and Yale, you apply to Harvard and you also apply to Yale. That way, if you get rejected at Harvard or Yale, you still have a shot at Harvard or Yale. If you are literally subsisting on food stamps and wearing hand me down clothes, and you have no family from whom to borrow the money, this is still the right answer.im_blue wrote:How is this possible when Harvard (3.89/173) and Yale (3.90/173) have virtually identical medians? If you had to choose one, Harvard would be the safer choice.Hey-O wrote:I'm slightly below both medians at Yale and I'm at medians for Harvard. LSN says 40% for both.
The question of how low should the OP go into the T14 to make sure he's safe is much more interesting and should depend on whether safe means "in" or "paid for."
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
Where are you getting the H numbers? LSN has Harvard 3.86/172. Are these old?im_blue wrote:How is this possible when Harvard (3.89/173) and Yale (3.90/173) have virtually identical medians? If you had to choose one, Harvard would be the safer choice.Hey-O wrote:I'm slightly below both medians at Yale and I'm at medians for Harvard. LSN says 40% for both.
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
Yes, I agree. I'll apply to Y and H but I'm not holding out any hope at all. But how far to cast my net is more what I'm interested in.Bumi wrote:
The question of how low should the OP go into the T14 to make sure he's safe is much more interesting and should depend on whether safe means "in" or "paid for."
Does this sound reasonable:
Slightly above or at both medians = target, but sticker
Above median = target, some money
At 75% or above = safety, $$$
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
Here's your answer. I don't know that it's simple, unfortunately. (By the way: what the hell is Michigan's problem?)Hey-O wrote:Yes, I agree. I'll apply to Y and H but I'm not holding out any hope at all. But how far to cast my net is more what I'm interested in.Bumi wrote:
The question of how low should the OP go into the T14 to make sure he's safe is much more interesting and should depend on whether safe means "in" or "paid for."
Does this sound reasonable:
Slightly above or at both medians = target, but sticker
Above median = target, some money
At 75% or above = safety, $$$
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
Thanks for this website; I haven't found this one before. It is much more effective than me just going to LSN and trying to gauge scholarships that way.Bumi wrote:Here's your answer. I don't know that it's simple, unfortunately. (By the way: what the hell is Michigan's problem?)Hey-O wrote:Yes, I agree. I'll apply to Y and H but I'm not holding out any hope at all. But how far to cast my net is more what I'm interested in.Bumi wrote:
The question of how low should the OP go into the T14 to make sure he's safe is much more interesting and should depend on whether safe means "in" or "paid for."
Does this sound reasonable:
Slightly above or at both medians = target, but sticker
Above median = target, some money
At 75% or above = safety, $$$
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
Oh yeah definitely. It's way better than trying to come up with a rule of thumb based on medians and percentiles. Good luck, you've got some jealousy-inducing numbers and should have a jealousy-inducing cycle.
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
I heard the hourumd website is too optimistic as it is based on data from the past several years and it's clearly gotten much more competitive to get into most schools in the past year or two...? Anyone have any knowledge if this is true (about it being too optimistic)?Bumi wrote:Here's your answer. I don't know that it's simple, unfortunately. (By the way: what the hell is Michigan's problem?)Hey-O wrote:Yes, I agree. I'll apply to Y and H but I'm not holding out any hope at all. But how far to cast my net is more what I'm interested in.Bumi wrote:
The question of how low should the OP go into the T14 to make sure he's safe is much more interesting and should depend on whether safe means "in" or "paid for."
Does this sound reasonable:
Slightly above or at both medians = target, but sticker
Above median = target, some money
At 75% or above = safety, $$$
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
Thanks, this means a lot, right now I'm pretty nervous ITE; I hope you're right . Good luck in your cycle as well.Bumi wrote:Oh yeah definitely. It's way better than trying to come up with a rule of thumb based on medians and percentiles. Good luck, you've got some jealousy-inducing numbers and should have a jealousy-inducing cycle.
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
That site seems to be based on a criminally small sample size. I put in one theoretical LSAT score, and I had 100% acceptance at my target school with an ok chance at good money. I put in another smaller theoretical LSAT score and I still had 100% acceptance at the school, but with a way bigger chance at money.Bumi wrote:Here's your answer. I don't know that it's simple, unfortunately. (By the way: what the hell is Michigan's problem?)Hey-O wrote:Yes, I agree. I'll apply to Y and H but I'm not holding out any hope at all. But how far to cast my net is more what I'm interested in.Bumi wrote:
The question of how low should the OP go into the T14 to make sure he's safe is much more interesting and should depend on whether safe means "in" or "paid for."
Does this sound reasonable:
Slightly above or at both medians = target, but sticker
Above median = target, some money
At 75% or above = safety, $$$
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
It's because it based on LSN, which, especially for $$$ is too small a sample size. But it is a useful compilation of LSN. More useful than say, looking at LSN for each school individually and trying to gauge scholly amounts.Hannibal wrote:That site seems to be based on a criminally small sample size. I put in one theoretical LSAT score, and I had 100% acceptance at my target school with an ok chance at good money. I put in another smaller theoretical LSAT score and I still had 100% acceptance at the school, but with a way bigger chance at money.Bumi wrote:Here's your answer. I don't know that it's simple, unfortunately. (By the way: what the hell is Michigan's problem?)Hey-O wrote:Yes, I agree. I'll apply to Y and H but I'm not holding out any hope at all. But how far to cast my net is more what I'm interested in.Bumi wrote:
The question of how low should the OP go into the T14 to make sure he's safe is much more interesting and should depend on whether safe means "in" or "paid for."
Does this sound reasonable:
Slightly above or at both medians = target, but sticker
Above median = target, some money
At 75% or above = safety, $$$
Edit: fixed the quotes
Last edited by Hey-O on Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
Yeah.
Edit: oh you messed up the quotes. Slightly less oops.
Edit: oh you messed up the quotes. Slightly less oops.
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Re: Is median a target or a reach?
Official ABA data for Class of 2012.Hey-O wrote:Where are you getting the H numbers? LSN has Harvard 3.86/172. Are these old?im_blue wrote:How is this possible when Harvard (3.89/173) and Yale (3.90/173) have virtually identical medians? If you had to choose one, Harvard would be the safer choice.Hey-O wrote:I'm slightly below both medians at Yale and I'm at medians for Harvard. LSN says 40% for both.
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