Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

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Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby im_blue » Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:10 pm

Berkeley is the first T14 to release their Fall 2010 class medians:

2010: 3.64 - 3.80 - 3.88, 163 - 167 - 170
2009: 3.68 - 3.83 - 3.95, 165 - 168 - 170

2010: 8,313 apps (4.4% increase)
2009: 7,960 apps
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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby Kswizzie » Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:14 pm

ooooh baby. Finally they are coming to their senses the best kind of people get 168s

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby 5ky » Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:16 pm

T13. Nobody wants to pay 80k a year for law school, Boalt.

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby Knock » Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:49 pm

im_blue wrote:Berkeley is the first T14 to release their Fall 2010 class medians:

2010: 3.64 - 3.80 - 3.88, 163 - 167 - 170
2009: 3.68 - 3.83 - 3.95, 165 - 168 - 170

2010: 8,313 apps (4.4% increase)
2009: 7,960 apps


Sweet. Hopefully this is across the board, although I doubt it.

Im_blue is bringing TLS some valuable information. Thanks!

Edit: interesting: "From the Art World: Aspiring thespians, artists, photographers, dancers, vocalists, and musicians, including an opera singer, a member of a gamelan orchestra, 3 professional ballet dancers (one a principal with the San Francisco Ballet), members of at least 3 different touring and recorded bands, 3 professional actors, a radio commercial voice-over performer, a lead performer from the Broadway production of “Stomp”, a concert pianist, a fire performance artist, and a member of the LA Lakers dance team."

Let's just say Berkeley may see strong consideration from me 8)
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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby IzziesGal » Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:50 pm

It's not 80k a year. And the degree is worth the money. I am looking at only east coast firms - ny, boston, dc, nj, and pa - and I can attest to berkeley's national reach. If anyone wants specifics, PM me for details.

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby allidoiswin » Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:56 pm

im_blue wrote:
2010: 3.64 - 3.80 - 3.88, 163 - 167 - 170
2009: 3.68 - 3.83 - 3.95, 165 - 168 - 170

2010: 8,313 apps (4.4% increase)
2009: 7,960 apps


Which one of the following, if true, most helps to resolve the paradox?

a) Boalt Law has traditionally has taken a holistic approach, giving extracurriculars as much weight as the one's GPA and LSAT score.
b) Boalt law school advertised more heavily this year than in years past and thus became a more popular school in terms of applications.
c) Attributable at least partially to the recent economic downturn, fewer statistically top-notch applicants are willing pass on meritorious scholarships from lesser or equally ranked schools to attend Boalt at full tuition.
d) This year Boalt law school, traditionally known for being attracted to high GPAs, was focused on raising its LSAT mean for the incoming class and less concerned with its GPA mean among entering students.
e) Stanford, a typically more highly regarded law school located close to Boalt law, attracted more applications this year than in years past.
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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby ArchRoark » Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:01 am

allidoiswin wrote:
im_blue wrote:
2010: 3.64 - 3.80 - 3.88, 163 - 167 - 170
2009: 3.68 - 3.83 - 3.95, 165 - 168 - 170

2010: 8,313 apps (4.4% increase)
2009: 7,960 apps


Which one of the following, if true, most helps to resolve the paradox?

a) Boalt Law had more international applicants this year than in years past.
b) Boalt law school advertised more heavily this year than in years past and thus became a more popular school to which applicants applied.
c) Attributable at least partially to the recent economic downturn, fewer statistically top-notch applicants are willing pass on meritorious scholarships from lesser or equally ranked schools to attend Boalt at full tuition.
d) This year Boalt law school, traditionally known for being attracted to high GPAs, was focused on raising its LSAT mean for the incoming class and less concerned with its GPA mean among entering students.
e) Stanford, a typically more highly regarded law school located close to Boalt law, attracted more applications this year than in years past.


C

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby allidoiswin » Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:48 am

haha good job ^...but it's only a one star question!

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby 5ky » Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:11 am

IzziesGal wrote:It's not 80k a year. And the degree is worth the money. I am looking at only east coast firms - ny, boston, dc, nj, and pa - and I can attest to berkeley's national reach. If anyone wants specifics, PM me for details.


viewtopic.php?f=4&t=116667

http://www.law.berkeley.edu/6943.htm

74k, sorry. That's just a little too rich for a lot of people's blood, I know it weighed heavily on my decision.

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby Hannibal » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:03 am

Holy shit. I'm in state and I would not go to Boalt even if the next highest were out of T14.

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby acrossthelake » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:15 am

Hannibal wrote:Holy shit. I'm in state and I would not go to Boalt even if the next highest were out of T14.


Hmm...well to compare to some other schools:

Boalt Hall Non-Resident
Tuition: $52,244.50
Tuition+ Expenses:$74,047.50

University of Virginia Non-Resident
Tuition: $47,500
Tuition + Expenses: $67,700

Stanford
Tuition: $44,880
Tuition + Expenses: $71,535

Columbia
Tuition: $48,648
Tuition+ Expenses:$74,000

Harvard
Tuition: $ 45,450
Tuition+ Expenses: $70,100

So I guess it's sort of comparable to going to Columbia, except without the high NYC COL to justify it.

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby Knock » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:16 am

acrossthelake wrote:
Hannibal wrote:Holy shit. I'm in state and I would not go to Boalt even if the next highest were out of T14.


Hmm...well to compare to some other schools:

Boalt Hall Non-Resident
Tuition: $52,244.50
Tuition+ Expenses:$74,047.50

University of Virginia Non-Resident
Tuition: $47,500
Tuition + Expenses: $67,700

Stanford
Tuition: $44,880
Tuition + Expenses: $71,535

Columbia
Tuition: $48,648
Tuition+ Expenses:$74,000

Harvard
Tuition: $ 45,450
Tuition+ Expenses: $70,100

So I guess it's sort of comparable to going to Columbia, except without the high NYC COL to justify it.


And you get the beautiful California weather. That's got to be worth $20,000 a year easy in terms of quality of life :D.

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby SHARK WEEK! » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:20 am

I'm surprised no one has asked this: Why do you think the medians fell [any theories other than tuition]?

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby Hannibal » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:22 am

Bah, FINE, I'll go to Boalt. But I won't be happy about it!

*Cries over 3.42 GPA*

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby tintin » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:26 am

it's cuz they let me in....
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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby 5ky » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:26 am

acrossthelake wrote:
Hannibal wrote:Holy shit. I'm in state and I would not go to Boalt even if the next highest were out of T14.


Hmm...well to compare to some other schools:

Boalt Hall Non-Resident
Tuition: $52,244.50
Tuition+ Expenses:$74,047.50

University of Virginia Non-Resident
Tuition: $47,500
Tuition + Expenses: $67,700

Stanford
Tuition: $44,880
Tuition + Expenses: $71,535

Columbia
Tuition: $48,648
Tuition+ Expenses:$74,000

Harvard
Tuition: $ 45,450
Tuition+ Expenses: $70,100

So I guess it's sort of comparable to going to Columbia, except without the high NYC COL to justify it.


IMO the problem with comparing like this is that H, S, and C are a class (or two classes) above Boalt. As for UVA, it's expensive, but they dole out scholarship money like candy there, which brings the cost down significantly.

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SHARK WEEK! wrote:I'm surprised no one has asked this: Why do you think the medians fell [any theories other than tuition]?


I think that ITE, it's a combination of their extremely high tuition rates, combined with the fact that people are now considering NYC BigLaw the "safest" way to get a job, and want an east coast school to help them escape without falling 200k into debt without a job.

But we shall see when the other schools release their numbers. With the increase in apps, though, I just can't see many schools falling in their medians.

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby jay115 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:32 am

Knockglock wrote:
acrossthelake wrote:
Hannibal wrote:Holy shit. I'm in state and I would not go to Boalt even if the next highest were out of T14.


Hmm...well to compare to some other schools:

Boalt Hall Non-Resident
Tuition: $52,244.50
Tuition+ Expenses:$74,047.50

University of Virginia Non-Resident
Tuition: $47,500
Tuition + Expenses: $67,700

Stanford
Tuition: $44,880
Tuition + Expenses: $71,535

Columbia
Tuition: $48,648
Tuition+ Expenses:$74,000

Harvard
Tuition: $ 45,450
Tuition+ Expenses: $70,100

So I guess it's sort of comparable to going to Columbia, except without the high NYC COL to justify it.


And you get the beautiful California weather. That's got to be worth $20,000 a year easy in terms of quality of life :D.


Berkeley unfortunately does not get to enjoy California's vaunted beautiful weather.

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby Hannibal » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:33 am

Sure it does. It's a little cooler than a little further in, but it's still sunny pretty much every day in the summer.

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby drdolittle » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:36 am

SHARK WEEK! wrote:I'm surprised no one has asked this: Why do you think the medians fell [any theories other than tuition]?


Good question. But I'm curious whether these drops are even statistically significant when compared to past year to year fluctuations? And for the LSAT, depending on the exact numbers to the decimal fraction, rounding also might have exaggerated the drops.

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby iamcutdacheck » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:46 am

Knockglock wrote:
acrossthelake wrote:
Hannibal wrote:Holy shit. I'm in state and I would not go to Boalt even if the next highest were out of T14.


Hmm...well to compare to some other schools:

Boalt Hall Non-Resident
Tuition: $52,244.50
Tuition+ Expenses:$74,047.50

University of Virginia Non-Resident
Tuition: $47,500
Tuition + Expenses: $67,700

Stanford
Tuition: $44,880
Tuition + Expenses: $71,535

Columbia
Tuition: $48,648
Tuition+ Expenses:$74,000

Harvard
Tuition: $ 45,450
Tuition+ Expenses: $70,100

So I guess it's sort of comparable to going to Columbia, except without the high NYC COL to justify it.


And you get the beautiful California weather. That's got to be worth $20,000 a year easy in terms of quality of life :D.


The Bay Area has the best weather in the United States

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby jay115 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:52 am

Hannibal wrote:Sure it does. It's a little cooler than a little further in, but it's still sunny pretty much every day in the summer.


I'm not going to bicker about it - everyone has their own opinion. All I will say is when people visit, I think they might find your observation that Berkeley is "a little cooler" a bit understated and "sunny pretty much everyday" a bit overstated. Setting aside their other differences, I think people are usually referencing Stanford's (or Southern California's) weather when they mention sunny California weather. For reference, I live like a 20 minute BART ride-away from Berkeley.

iamcutdacheck wrote:The Bay Area has the best weather in the United States


I think this is true south of the SF fog bank.

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby Hannibal » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:54 am

Eh? Stanford is kind of foggy and cold isn't it?

The perfect weather is probably the Lafayette area since it's still coolish but the fog gets killed by the Oakland Hills. You could easily live in Lafayette and BART to Berkeley.

ITT: We talk about Bay Area geography

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby jay115 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:12 am

Hannibal wrote:Eh? Stanford is kind of foggy and cold isn't it?

The perfect weather is probably the Lafayette area since it's still coolish but the fog gets killed by the Oakland Hills. You could easily live in Lafayette and BART to Berkeley.

ITT: We talk about Bay Area geography


Palo Alto is foggy? Have you ever been to either campus? This is what Stanford looks like: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... x=85&ty=36

And this is Boalt: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... x=92&ty=24

I literally just google-imaged both, and I'll let you decide which you think looks sunnier. FYI, tomorrow's weather for Palo Alto is a smooth 75 degrees with minimal cloud cover. Berkeley is more than ten degrees colder at 63 degrees.

Haha, but yes I agree Berkeley's weather is kind of irrelevant to the greater conversation at hand. Tuition at UC schools is insane.

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby General Tso » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:21 am

Berkeley AM is like june gloom in SoCal...often the fog will clear in the afternoon but reappear in the late evening.

Also I don't know many young people who would want to live in an uppity suburb like Lafayette.

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Re: Berkeley's Fall 2010 Medians Drop

Postby Total Litigator » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:24 am

My family lives in Berkely. Berkeley is not California weather. Due to whatever geographical anomoalies (mountains, the bay, who knows) Berkeley is cool, foggy, and damp most of the year, although it does get hot and dry in late summer and early fall. The weather is basically like a nicer version of Seattle's.

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