I applaud you for being special. I'm sure your mom's proud.Matthies wrote:And you know this how? Me, well let's see, I went to law school part-time at night, worked fulltime during the day and networked, was active in the local bar and a member of an Inn of court, along the way I also got an LLM/MLS and graduated 13th in my class and have job thanks to the contacts I made . So yea, it can be done.Tsispilos wrote:Matthies wrote:Possibly, or maybe some folks on this thread won't give up so esialy when they are faced with finding a job. Finding a job is a fulltime job, and quiting that job or doing it halfassed will lead to poor results.blsingindisguise wrote:Man, some of the 0Ls and 1Ls on this thread really need to check their attitude.
Yes, it's possible that OP could do more to get a job, and it's possible that if he keeps plugging away he'll eventually find something. But there are simply far fewer legal jobs to be had than there were a few years ago, and there are simply not enough for every qualified grad. Yes, OP should reach out to alumni and attend events and all that. But it's a bit dickish to make assumptions that he must have poor interviewing skills or not be making an effort. If anything, you guys are all just engaging in "it can't happen to me" rationalization because you don't want to face that you're taking a risk.
NOTE: Law school is also a full-time job. So is a summer associateship/internship. You don't have all the time in the world to just go around "networking." Not saying you don't have ANY time for that, but spending too much time "networking" may mean shitty law school and summer job performance, which can hurt the hard factors that many prospective employers will care about. There's just not an easy formula to follow that will get you employed.
Also, what makes you think OP gave up easily? It's totally possible right now for someone in his position to fight to the bitter death in the job-hunting arena and end up bitterly dead in that search.
As the OP giving up easily
If he is the class of 2010 he has not even taken the bar yet, if class of 2009, its a not even a year since he got results.I applied to everything in sight. I ended up without an offer. My case was far from unique. It was the ones who got satisfying jobs that are unique. I guess I can teach for BarBri or Kaplan or something now. It's just not worth it.
I regret having gone to law school Forum
-
- Posts: 125
- Joined: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:37 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
- Matthies
- Posts: 1250
- Joined: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:18 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
She is, and so was your mom.Tsispilos wrote:
I applaud you for being special. I'm sure your mom's proud.
- vanwinkle
- Posts: 8953
- Joined: Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:02 am
Re: I regret having gone to law school
I can't believe I read this whole thread. 7 pages and nothing that hasn't been said on TLS before.
Especially the bit about DF nailing chubby girls for fun and profit.
Especially the bit about DF nailing chubby girls for fun and profit.
- pinkzeppelin
- Posts: 231
- Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:51 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
Props to the troll on this one. Page to post ratio is 7:3 so far, well done.
- romothesavior
- Posts: 14692
- Joined: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:29 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
I think I hate the gung-ho "Everything will be fine!" 0Ls far more than I hate the anti-law school people like the bloggers and Mtals. Personally, I fall somewhere in the middle (optimistic and driven, but tempered with a dose of reality), so I can understand where both groups are coming from. But the vitriolic anger that some of my fellow 0Ls exhibit whenever someone warns them of the perils of law school is really getting under my skin lately.
Everytime someone posts a horror story or relays the facts of ITE, the D-bags like Ty Webb come crawling out of their holes with guns a-blazing to attack the person. Well guess what? This type of story (whether flame or not) could be any of us in a few years. Get your heads out of your asses, people.
Everytime someone posts a horror story or relays the facts of ITE, the D-bags like Ty Webb come crawling out of their holes with guns a-blazing to attack the person. Well guess what? This type of story (whether flame or not) could be any of us in a few years. Get your heads out of your asses, people.
Want to continue reading?
Register now to search topics and post comments!
Absolutely FREE!
Already a member? Login
-
- Posts: 1486
- Joined: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:55 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
I genuinely think Matthies offers outstanding advice, especially as it relates to networking. The problems I see are not flaws inherent to what he's saying but issues that are exogenous to law school right now.
1.) For one, I don't know specifically when you graduated but I infer it was pre ITE? Back then, I imagine (but cannot say for sure whether) individual displays of hustle and grit were met with greater reward than they are today. I would guess they were if only because there were actual jobs to give out. Small law and mid law are pretty brutal to break into now also.
2) two, hustle is important. It might, as you say, even qualify as a FT job. That said, I think you're unusual in your capacity to have juggled school, and work, and fulltime networking. Most students can't do that and, imho, its unfair to ask that they do.
1.) For one, I don't know specifically when you graduated but I infer it was pre ITE? Back then, I imagine (but cannot say for sure whether) individual displays of hustle and grit were met with greater reward than they are today. I would guess they were if only because there were actual jobs to give out. Small law and mid law are pretty brutal to break into now also.
2) two, hustle is important. It might, as you say, even qualify as a FT job. That said, I think you're unusual in your capacity to have juggled school, and work, and fulltime networking. Most students can't do that and, imho, its unfair to ask that they do.
-
- Posts: 125
- Joined: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:37 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
OP said "I had really shitty luck, despite being well-qualified for biglaw pre-2007"D. H2Oman wrote:
bunch of people #1 said "condolences"
bunch of people #2 said "it's your own damn fault, loser"
people said #3 said to bunch of people #2 "wtf is wrong with you"
discussion of proper job search strategy ensued, with disagreement about how much time/effort job searching, law school, etc should take.
douchery abounded.
-
- Posts: 1486
- Joined: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:55 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
You're t19, tho,romothesavior wrote:I think I hate the gung-ho "Everything will be fine!" 0Ls far more than I hate the anti-law school people like the bloggers and Mtals. Personally, I fall somewhere in the middle (optimistic and driven, but tempered with a dose of reality), so I can understand where both groups are coming from. But the vitriolic anger that some of my fellow 0Ls exhibit whenever someone warns them of the perils of law school is really getting under my skin lately.
Everytime someone posts a horror story or relays the facts of ITE, the D-bags like Ty Webb come crawling out of their holes with guns a-blazing to attack the person. Well guess what? This type of story (whether flame or not) could be any of us in a few years. Get your heads out of your asses, people.
- lsat_fear
- Posts: 78
- Joined: Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:58 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
The sky is falling.
HTH
HTH
- romothesavior
- Posts: 14692
- Joined: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:29 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
T19 safe, ftw. I feel for those poor saps at Notre Dame and UIUC.miamiman wrote:You're t19, tho,romothesavior wrote:I think I hate the gung-ho "Everything will be fine!" 0Ls far more than I hate the anti-law school people like the bloggers and Mtals. Personally, I fall somewhere in the middle (optimistic and driven, but tempered with a dose of reality), so I can understand where both groups are coming from. But the vitriolic anger that some of my fellow 0Ls exhibit whenever someone warns them of the perils of law school is really getting under my skin lately.
Everytime someone posts a horror story or relays the facts of ITE, the D-bags like Ty Webb come crawling out of their holes with guns a-blazing to attack the person. Well guess what? This type of story (whether flame or not) could be any of us in a few years. Get your heads out of your asses, people.
- TheTopBloke
- Posts: 486
- Joined: Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:29 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
I regret having ever read this thread.
- Grizz
- Posts: 10564
- Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:31 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
STLOUISSHITLAWSECURE?miamiman wrote:You're t19, tho,romothesavior wrote:I think I hate the gung-ho "Everything will be fine!" 0Ls far more than I hate the anti-law school people like the bloggers and Mtals. Personally, I fall somewhere in the middle (optimistic and driven, but tempered with a dose of reality), so I can understand where both groups are coming from. But the vitriolic anger that some of my fellow 0Ls exhibit whenever someone warns them of the perils of law school is really getting under my skin lately.
Everytime someone posts a horror story or relays the facts of ITE, the D-bags like Ty Webb come crawling out of their holes with guns a-blazing to attack the person. Well guess what? This type of story (whether flame or not) could be any of us in a few years. Get your heads out of your asses, people.
Register now!
Resources to assist law school applicants, students & graduates.
It's still FREE!
Already a member? Login
-
- Posts: 1486
- Joined: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:55 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
St Lous BigLaw to 105!rad law wrote:STLOUISSHITLAWSECURE?miamiman wrote:You're t19, tho,romothesavior wrote:I think I hate the gung-ho "Everything will be fine!" 0Ls far more than I hate the anti-law school people like the bloggers and Mtals. Personally, I fall somewhere in the middle (optimistic and driven, but tempered with a dose of reality), so I can understand where both groups are coming from. But the vitriolic anger that some of my fellow 0Ls exhibit whenever someone warns them of the perils of law school is really getting under my skin lately.
Everytime someone posts a horror story or relays the facts of ITE, the D-bags like Ty Webb come crawling out of their holes with guns a-blazing to attack the person. Well guess what? This type of story (whether flame or not) could be any of us in a few years. Get your heads out of your asses, people.
- romothesavior
- Posts: 14692
- Joined: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:29 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
As MM would say, dla piper East St. Louis secure?rad law wrote:STLOUISSHITLAWSECURE?miamiman wrote:You're t19, tho,romothesavior wrote:I think I hate the gung-ho "Everything will be fine!" 0Ls far more than I hate the anti-law school people like the bloggers and Mtals. Personally, I fall somewhere in the middle (optimistic and driven, but tempered with a dose of reality), so I can understand where both groups are coming from. But the vitriolic anger that some of my fellow 0Ls exhibit whenever someone warns them of the perils of law school is really getting under my skin lately.
Everytime someone posts a horror story or relays the facts of ITE, the D-bags like Ty Webb come crawling out of their holes with guns a-blazing to attack the person. Well guess what? This type of story (whether flame or not) could be any of us in a few years. Get your heads out of your asses, people.
-
- Posts: 18203
- Joined: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:47 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
LOL I hear STLOUISSHITLAW doesn't hire Wustilites because they think they are too fancy.rad law wrote:STLOUISSHITLAWSECURE?miamiman wrote:You're t19, tho,romothesavior wrote:I think I hate the gung-ho "Everything will be fine!" 0Ls far more than I hate the anti-law school people like the bloggers and Mtals. Personally, I fall somewhere in the middle (optimistic and driven, but tempered with a dose of reality), so I can understand where both groups are coming from. But the vitriolic anger that some of my fellow 0Ls exhibit whenever someone warns them of the perils of law school is really getting under my skin lately.
Everytime someone posts a horror story or relays the facts of ITE, the D-bags like Ty Webb come crawling out of their holes with guns a-blazing to attack the person. Well guess what? This type of story (whether flame or not) could be any of us in a few years. Get your heads out of your asses, people.
- romothesavior
- Posts: 14692
- Joined: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:29 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
FYI, I hate you both.
Get unlimited access to all forums and topics
Register now!
I'm pretty sure I told you it's FREE...
Already a member? Login
- romothesavior
- Posts: 14692
- Joined: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:29 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
This is true. We have to flock to Alton and Collinsville to work as PDs or DUI lawyers.Desert Fox wrote:LOL I hear STLOUISSHITLAW doesn't hire Wustilites because they think they are too fancy.rad law wrote:STLOUISSHITLAWSECURE?miamiman wrote:You're t19, tho,romothesavior wrote:I think I hate the gung-ho "Everything will be fine!" 0Ls far more than I hate the anti-law school people like the bloggers and Mtals. Personally, I fall somewhere in the middle (optimistic and driven, but tempered with a dose of reality), so I can understand where both groups are coming from. But the vitriolic anger that some of my fellow 0Ls exhibit whenever someone warns them of the perils of law school is really getting under my skin lately.
Everytime someone posts a horror story or relays the facts of ITE, the D-bags like Ty Webb come crawling out of their holes with guns a-blazing to attack the person. Well guess what? This type of story (whether flame or not) could be any of us in a few years. Get your heads out of your asses, people.
Last edited by romothesavior on Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Posts: 30
- Joined: Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:48 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
What I learned ITT:
--ImageRemoved--
thank you, miamiman
--ImageRemoved--
thank you, miamiman
Last edited by dramaticpaws on Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:40 am, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Posts: 1486
- Joined: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:55 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
No, that dla piper job went to HYS ite. T14 students crowding out secondary markets, ftl.romothesavior wrote:As MM would say, DLA Piper East St. Louis secure?rad law wrote:STLOUISSHITLAWSECURE?miamiman wrote:You're t19, tho,romothesavior wrote:I think I hate the gung-ho "Everything will be fine!" 0Ls far more than I hate the anti-law school people like the bloggers and Mtals. Personally, I fall somewhere in the middle (optimistic and driven, but tempered with a dose of reality), so I can understand where both groups are coming from. But the vitriolic anger that some of my fellow 0Ls exhibit whenever someone warns them of the perils of law school is really getting under my skin lately.
Everytime someone posts a horror story or relays the facts of ITE, the D-bags like Ty Webb come crawling out of their holes with guns a-blazing to attack the person. Well guess what? This type of story (whether flame or not) could be any of us in a few years. Get your heads out of your asses, people.
-
- Posts: 7445
- Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:47 am
Re: I regret having gone to law school
University of Texas trolling.miamiman wrote: No, that DLA Piper job went to HYS ite. T14 students crowding out secondary markets, ftl.
Communicate now with those who not only know what a legal education is, but can offer you worthy advice and commentary as you complete the three most educational, yet challenging years of your law related post graduate life.
Register now, it's still FREE!
Already a member? Login
-
- Posts: 1486
- Joined: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:55 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
HEY IF YOU'RE GOING TO MEME MY QUOTE, PAY ME SOME ROYALTIES.
(Or at least cite it)
(Or at least cite it)
-
- Posts: 18203
- Joined: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:47 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
All I want is 200K a year, is that too much to ask?
- Matthies
- Posts: 1250
- Joined: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:18 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
I graduated in may 2009, at the worst point ITE for legal jobs from a T2 school.miamiman wrote:I genuinely think Matthies offers outstanding advice, especially as it relates to networking. The problems I see are not flaws inherent to what he's saying but issues that are exogenous to law school right now.
1.) For one, I don't know specifically when you graduated but I infer it was pre ITE? Back then, I imagine (but cannot say for sure whether) individual displays of hustle and grit were met with greater reward than they are today. I would guess they were if only because there were actual jobs to give out. Small law and mid law are pretty brutal to break into now also.
2) two, hustle is important. It might, as you say, even qualify as a FT job. That said, I think you're unusual in your capacity to have juggled school, and work, and fulltime networking. Most students can't do that and, imho, its unfair to ask that they do.
No most people probably can't do what I did (or more realistically WON"t DO), and that's my point. For most people its far easier for them to get into law school than it is for them to get a job as or be good at being a lawyer. Some of this is the economy, but the economy hurts those most who did not have the skills, or will unwilling to learn the skills, to make it on their. You don't win at life the day you get that offer at big law. You have to keep that job for the next 30+ years if you want to be a lawyer. Folks real life is tough, it takes work, and you can only coast on your grades/diploma/schools name for so long, someday your gonna have to make it on your own.
Learn how to do that if you want to be a lawyer. Law school teaches you enough to get the JD and little else. You can either think that's enough to win at life then be shocked when its not, or take the steps you need to to learn what its takes to be a real lawyer while you have time to f it up a bit, in law school.
I get sick of these flames. Is it flame, most likely, because the OP says he can teach for Kaplan or barbri, which tells me has not take a bar prep class since students don't teach those, new grads don't, old law professors on video tape do.
Look, none of you would take advice from someone declaring their second bankruptcy on how to invest and manage your money. But law students seen drawn like months to a flame to websites, blogs, posts by people who could not find a legal job, especially those from top law schools.
Is that really where you should be turning to to get your advice on how to find a legal job? Maybe, just maybe, its better to seek out people who have gotten law jobs and know how to get legal jobs and follow their advice instead. But hey, that's not as easy as saying law schools are a scam, or its the ecoemony, or TTT grads fault. Lots of people have been successful finding jobs in this eceomony, they just don't have anyone to blame and not as much free time to complain about it on the internet, because well, they got jobs.
- Matthies
- Posts: 1250
- Joined: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:18 pm
Re: I regret having gone to law school
You will have it in debt in 3 yearsDesert Fox wrote:All I want is 200K a year, is that too much to ask?
Seriously? What are you waiting for?
Now there's a charge.
Just kidding ... it's still FREE!
Already a member? Login