How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby acrossthelake » Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:11 pm

Cilent21 wrote:
acrossthelake wrote:Yeah, this. 3.8 seems to be their floor(for white and asian applicants), which LSP doesn't take into account. West Coast in general isn't as friendly to splitting, which pains me because I prefer it.


Freaking Stanford. So annoying


They didn't want me for undergrad either :( , so I ended up going east. I like New England in general, but the winters are painful(literally, I have cold-induced asthma). Guess I'll be staying there for another 3 years though.

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MagnumLifeStyle wrote:Can Asians check the "URM" box of the LS Predictor?

I know they aren't usually considered URMs (even though they comprise less then 5% of U.S. population, which ironically makes them a real minority) but are they really on an equal playing field with Whites?


Look up what the "UR" in URM stands for. I'll give you a hint: Asians don't qualify because they are enormously ovepresented in graduate/professional schools.

But feel free to check whatever box you want. Most people lie about themselves online anyway, just rarely are they lying to what is essentially a calculator.


Speak for yourself, I obviously got a URM boost at my school.


Wait, what?

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby dgthree » Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:14 pm

I was consider, strong consider and weak consider for all the schools I applied too. I was accepted to everyone with significant scholarships to a majority of them. I was a splitter, not a huge one, but it seemed to dislike my GPA more than the schools did. (have a masters, good work experience as softs that maybe were considered)

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby TOMaHULK » Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:30 pm

dgthree wrote:I was consider, strong consider and weak consider for all the schools I applied too. I was accepted to everyone with significant scholarships to a majority of them. I was a splitter, not a huge one, but it seemed to dislike my GPA more than the schools did. (have a masters, good work experience as softs that maybe were considered)



Interesting...

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby dgthree » Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:04 pm

TOMaHULK wrote:
dgthree wrote:I was consider, strong consider and weak consider for all the schools I applied too. I was accepted to everyone with significant scholarships to a majority of them. I was a splitter, not a huge one, but it seemed to dislike my GPA more than the schools did. (have a masters, good work experience as softs that maybe were considered)



Interesting...


I was very surprised myself, I do think I may have also had a boost because I applied to a lot of schools outside of my region, averaging 1200-1500 miles away. I am sure they did not normally have that many applicants from those areas and they gave it a chance.

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby BaiAilian2013 » Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:16 pm

I think it was slightly optimistic in my case:
1 Strong Consider --> deny
8 Admits --> 2 waitlists, 6 admits

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby kmap » Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:20 pm

Got into my "deny" school (Harvard), rejected at my "strong consider" school (Berkeley), WL at 2 considers, and accepted everywhere else. LSN was completely useless for me.

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby 1ferret! » Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:12 pm

most of my admits came from "weak consider" s

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby TOMaHULK » Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:51 am

Damn...so it seems kindda all over the board here...

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby kalvano » Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:53 am

In the end, it doesn't really matter what it says. Apply to everywhere you think you might be happy. See who bites. Ask for fee waivers. It's easy to send out 20 applications for not a lot of money.

You never know.

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby TOMaHULK » Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:57 am

kalvano wrote:In the end, it doesn't really matter what it says. Apply to everywhere you think you might be happy. See who bites. Ask for fee waivers. It's easy to send out 20 applications for not a lot of money.

You never know.


Question about that. Do you ask for waivers on the LSAC site or the law school's websites?

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby PLATONiC » Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:58 am

What's considered a "splitter" for LSP purposes?

I'm estimating that my final numbers will be 3.4/170. Considering the fact that my GPA is below median for the entire T13, would LSP yield somewhat less reliable predictions than non-splitters?

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby Tautology » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:03 am

PLATONiC wrote:What's considered a "splitter" for LSP purposes?

I'm estimating that my final numbers will be 3.4/170. Considering the fact that my GPA is below median for the entire T13, would LSP yield somewhat less reliable predictions than non-splitters?


You're a moderate splitter, and I would be a little wary of the results you get.

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby kalvano » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:05 am

TOMaHULK wrote:
kalvano wrote:In the end, it doesn't really matter what it says. Apply to everywhere you think you might be happy. See who bites. Ask for fee waivers. It's easy to send out 20 applications for not a lot of money.

You never know.


Question about that. Do you ask for waivers on the LSAC site or the law school's websites?



Email the school and ask directly.

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby Fark-o-vision » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:16 am

It seems you can trust almost everything if you apply early. Admit is the least reliable return, however, as it doesn't consider schools like Northwestern and Yale.

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby Knock » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:49 am

Fark-o-vision wrote:It seems you can trust almost everything if you apply early. Admit is the least reliable return, however, as it doesn't consider schools like Northwestern and Yale.


When's the cut off date for early? I don't think i'll be able to get my apps in before the first couple weeks of October probably (mainly because i'm expecting a delay on my LOR, and my school doesn't start until the last week or two of September).

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby Cupidity » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:54 am

I think it is a little over-generous with the 165-166 LSAT range. Based on the experience of myself, 166 3.87 and a few others with simmilar numbers. Put me at Admit for Vanderbilt, USC, and ND where I got waitlisted.

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby im_blue » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:56 am

Cupidity wrote:I think it is a little over-generous with the 165-166 LSAT range. Based on the experience of myself, 166 3.87 and a few others with simmilar numbers. Put me at Admit for Vanderbilt, USC, and ND where I got waitlisted.

That's because you're a weak reverse splitter, with an above-median GPA and below-median LSAT for those schools. LSP does not do well with splitters' chances, since it's based on index numbers. Someone with a 3.75/167 would probably have the same index score as you, but get into all 3 of these schools. But yeah, 165-166 is a tough place to be, since it falls just short of T20.

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby blueballa » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:20 am

I was almost completely screwed over by LSP.

I plugged in my numbers and it told me "deny" at Yale, so I didn't even bother applying there initially. I only sent in my app to YLS at the last minute (on the day of the deadline, in fact) because my mom basically forced me to, and I eventually got in off the waitlist. If I had listened to that silly website, I never would've known that I even had a chance at Yale. Law School Predictor can give you a pretty good sense of what your chances are, but DON'T LET IT SELL YOU SHORT!!!

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/smile

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby Ragged » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:24 am

blueballa wrote:I was almost completely screwed over by LSP.

I plugged in my numbers and it told me "deny" at Yale, so I didn't even bother applying there initially. I only sent in my app to YLS at the last minute (on the day of the deadline, in fact) because my mom basically forced me to, and I eventually got in off the waitlist. If I had listened to that silly website, I never would've known that I even had a chance at Yale. Law School Predictor can give you a pretty good sense of what your chances are, but DON'T LET IT SELL YOU SHORT!!!

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/smile



Wow congrats. Thats impressive with your stats. Softs?

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:25 am

TOMaHULK wrote:Damn...so it seems kindda all over the board here...


Use LSP in combination with LSN and hourumd to get the best idea. For your average non-urm candidate with only 1 take you should be able to get a good idea.

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby acrossthelake » Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:24 am

blueballa wrote:I was almost completely screwed over by LSP.

I plugged in my numbers and it told me "deny" at Yale, so I didn't even bother applying there initially. I only sent in my app to YLS at the last minute (on the day of the deadline, in fact) because my mom basically forced me to, and I eventually got in off the waitlist. If I had listened to that silly website, I never would've known that I even had a chance at Yale. Law School Predictor can give you a pretty good sense of what your chances are, but DON'T LET IT SELL YOU SHORT!!!

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/smile


LSP can't predict Yale(or Stanford, really) due to its black-box nature in either direction. It should be ignored for those two schools.

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby TOMaHULK » Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:24 pm

kalvano wrote:
TOMaHULK wrote:
kalvano wrote:In the end, it doesn't really matter what it says. Apply to everywhere you think you might be happy. See who bites. Ask for fee waivers. It's easy to send out 20 applications for not a lot of money.

You never know.


Question about that. Do you ask for waivers on the LSAC site or the law school's websites?



Email the school and ask directly.


Thank you.

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby Tautology » Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:24 pm

blueballa wrote:I was almost completely screwed over by LSP.

I plugged in my numbers and it told me "deny" at Yale, so I didn't even bother applying there initially. I only sent in my app to YLS at the last minute (on the day of the deadline, in fact) because my mom basically forced me to, and I eventually got in off the waitlist. If I had listened to that silly website, I never would've known that I even had a chance at Yale. Law School Predictor can give you a pretty good sense of what your chances are, but DON'T LET IT SELL YOU SHORT!!!

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/smile


If you had bothered to read the website you could have learned that about 10% of applicants get into "deny" schools.

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

Postby flyingpanda » Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:33 pm

Tautology wrote:
blueballa wrote:I was almost completely screwed over by LSP.

I plugged in my numbers and it told me "deny" at Yale, so I didn't even bother applying there initially. I only sent in my app to YLS at the last minute (on the day of the deadline, in fact) because my mom basically forced me to, and I eventually got in off the waitlist. If I had listened to that silly website, I never would've known that I even had a chance at Yale. Law School Predictor can give you a pretty good sense of what your chances are, but DON'T LET IT SELL YOU SHORT!!!

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/smile


If you had bothered to read the website you could have learned that about 10% of applicants get into "deny" schools.


Credited. It also doesn't factor in the very real URM asian boost.

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Re: How accurate is the LS Predictor site?

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