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Choosing a school, 4th tier, salary?
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ITE, you'd be lucky to get a job period, and if you do, 50K would be pretty damn good.
Retake the LSAT, and study your ass off for it. Like 2 hours a night for 2 months, hard.
Retake the LSAT, and study your ass off for it. Like 2 hours a night for 2 months, hard.
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So you're unwilling to eat a shitty job for one year to study correctly for the LSAT which can have tremendous effects on your starting and long-term salaries? The employability differences between schools are immense. Eat the shitty job, study like a champ, retake.I will have a hard time finding a decent job so I don't want to be working some shitty job for a year.
No. That's the percentage of those that self-report. Who is more likely to report -- someone with a job or someone without?Also, am I being nieve for looking at the median starting salaries of schools? I always factor that in when looking at schools. Are those numbers accurate?
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I know you don't want to hear hear it, but retake the LSAT. You may not want to work a shitty job for a year, but that is considerably shorter than working a shitty job for 15-20 years after attending Florida Coastal. The problems with Florida Coastal are well documented on tls. I urge you to research the institution a bit more before attending.
Also, you would have virtually no chance at international, IP, or sports law coming from Florida Coastal. But that's just my 2 cents.
Also, you would have virtually no chance at international, IP, or sports law coming from Florida Coastal. But that's just my 2 cents.
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This.deltasigbn wrote:My original plan was to take a year off, study hard for the LSAT and do better on it.
TLS CW: "Do not go to T3 or T4 school unless it is free AND you already have a job lined up after graduation that you need a J.D. for"
Furthermore, Based well documented statistics many on TLS argue that it is not even worth it to go to a T2 or even T1 outside of the T14 unless you have something close to a full ride. While I don't wholeheartedly agree with these TLS'ers, it shows how bad the legal market is.
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Self-reported stats are massaged and worthless. I would guess that a minuscule number of Coastal grads actually send back the surveys.
Coastal gets no respect in FL. Someone from Jacksonville posted on another thread that the Public Defender's office will only look at the top 10% of Coastal grads. If this is even remotely true, this is a terrible sign. Also keep in mind that you are on the lowest rung of law school tiers in a horribly glutted FL market with 10 other FL schools. Taking out loans for this hell hole is financial suicide.
Retake the LSAT.
Coastal gets no respect in FL. Someone from Jacksonville posted on another thread that the Public Defender's office will only look at the top 10% of Coastal grads. If this is even remotely true, this is a terrible sign. Also keep in mind that you are on the lowest rung of law school tiers in a horribly glutted FL market with 10 other FL schools. Taking out loans for this hell hole is financial suicide.
Retake the LSAT.
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FL Coastal is one of the worst of the accredited law schools. Attrition was 26.4% per ABA.
http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchRes ... BA5320.pdf
So they failed out over a quarter of the 1L class.
In certain contexts, the school you go to can matter even 10 years out. I've seen different ads for in-house counsel jobs that make requirements or cut-offs as to school rank and class rank, even for very experienced applicants.
Just retake the LSAT in Oct.
http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchRes ... BA5320.pdf
So they failed out over a quarter of the 1L class.
In certain contexts, the school you go to can matter even 10 years out. I've seen different ads for in-house counsel jobs that make requirements or cut-offs as to school rank and class rank, even for very experienced applicants.
Just retake the LSAT in Oct.
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Or they quit.
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FIFYDesert Fox wrote:
Retake the LSAT, and study your ass off for it. Like 8 hours a night for 6 months, hard.
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Oh yeah, sorry. I combined academic and other attrition. Academic-only is 16%.PKSebben wrote:Or they quit.
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Yes yes god yes you can make that jump and perhaps beyond that. The LSAT is hella learnable. There are some super solid guides on here that will serve you well.
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What are typical cut-offs for such jobs?NayBoer wrote:
In certain contexts, the school you go to can matter even 10 years out. I've seen different ads for in-house counsel jobs that make requirements or cut-offs as to school rank and class rank, even for very experienced applicants.
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How can you even do that much without running out of prep material? Then again I was a more intuitive LSATer. Some people actually memorize methods by question type and inch their way up the ladder.motiontodismiss wrote:FIFYDesert Fox wrote:
Retake the LSAT, and study your ass off for it. Like 8 hours a night for 6 months, hard.
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Some ads I see say "top grades from a top (or elite) law school." I see a lot of clerkships say top quarter or third.thatsnotmyname wrote:What are typical cut-offs for such jobs?NayBoer wrote:
In certain contexts, the school you go to can matter even 10 years out. I've seen different ads for in-house counsel jobs that make requirements or cut-offs as to school rank and class rank, even for very experienced applicants.
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It's going to vary wildly based on multiple factors.thatsnotmyname wrote:What are typical cut-offs for such jobs?NayBoer wrote:
In certain contexts, the school you go to can matter even 10 years out. I've seen different ads for in-house counsel jobs that make requirements or cut-offs as to school rank and class rank, even for very experienced applicants.
The best you can do if you really want biglaw or in-house counsel is to go to a T20 school, or better yet T13.
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24 weeks*8 hours*5 days/wk (weekends off). 59 Preptests. Spend 2 days on each (do it for 1 day, go over the wrong answers and extra practice the next). That alone is 118 days. Put in intermittent Powerscore bibling and you got 8 hours, 6 months.Desert Fox wrote:How can you even do that much without running out of prep material? Then again I was a more intuitive LSATer. Some people actually memorize methods by question type and inch their way up the ladder.motiontodismiss wrote:FIFYDesert Fox wrote:
Retake the LSAT, and study your ass off for it. Like 8 hours a night for 6 months, hard.
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The people who memorize the question types are often the same people who freaked out at the Dinos game. A slightly more freeform, chaotic style lets you adapt a little better to the curveballs.Desert Fox wrote:How can you even do that much without running out of prep material? Then again I was a more intuitive LSATer. Some people actually memorize methods by question type and inch their way up the ladder.motiontodismiss wrote:FIFYDesert Fox wrote:
Retake the LSAT, and study your ass off for it. Like 8 hours a night for 6 months, hard.
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How can you spend 16 hours on each test? This seems like a level of effort that would be required for somebody dealing with ESL or a learning/reading disability. Or both.motiontodismiss wrote:24 weeks*8 hours*5 days/wk (weekends off). 59 Preptests. Spend 2 days on each (do it for 1 day, go over the wrong answers and extra practice the next). That alone is 118 days. Put in intermittent Powerscore bibling and you got 8 hours, 6 months.
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I'd go with powerscore, but I think self study is better if you can self motivate. You should do and review each preptest available before Oct test.deltasigbn wrote:Should I take a course, my parents said they will fund it?Desert Fox wrote:How can you even do that much without running out of prep material? Then again I was a more intuitive LSATer. Some people actually memorize methods by question type and inch their way up the ladder.motiontodismiss wrote:FIFYDesert Fox wrote:
Retake the LSAT, and study your ass off for it. Like 8 hours a night for 6 months, hard.
If so, which course is recommended?
Try the pithypike study plan (its pinned to the top of the lsat forum on this site).
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The first few times (until you get a perfect score) you do it untimed. Let's say that takes 6 hours. Grade it, take a break, have a snack, whatever. That's easily another 40 minutes. Go over the wrong answers, takes 3-4 hours (i.e. actually try to figure out why you got the answer wrong and what mistake you made). Read powerscore. 1 hour. Then you do extra practice questions pertaining to that area. 3-4 hours. Account for intermittent breaks.NayBoer wrote:How can you spend 16 hours on each test? This seems like a level of effort that would be required for somebody dealing with ESL or a learning/reading disability. Or both.motiontodismiss wrote:24 weeks*8 hours*5 days/wk (weekends off). 59 Preptests. Spend 2 days on each (do it for 1 day, go over the wrong answers and extra practice the next). That alone is 118 days. Put in intermittent Powerscore bibling and you got 8 hours, 6 months.
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Jesus christ dude....motiontodismiss wrote:The first few times (until you get a perfect score) you do it untimed. Let's say that takes 6 hours. Grade it, take a break, have a snack, whatever. That's easily another 40 minutes. Go over the wrong answers, takes 3-4 hours (i.e. actually try to figure out why you got the answer wrong and what mistake you made). Read powerscore. 1 hour. Then you do extra practice questions pertaining to that area. 3-4 hours. Account for intermittent breaks.NayBoer wrote:How can you spend 16 hours on each test? This seems like a level of effort that would be required for somebody dealing with ESL or a learning/reading disability. Or both.motiontodismiss wrote:24 weeks*8 hours*5 days/wk (weekends off). 59 Preptests. Spend 2 days on each (do it for 1 day, go over the wrong answers and extra practice the next). That alone is 118 days. Put in intermittent Powerscore bibling and you got 8 hours, 6 months.
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Law is not worth this amount of time, and if you need it...motiontodismiss wrote:The first few times (until you get a perfect score) you do it untimed. Let's say that takes 6 hours. Grade it, take a break, have a snack, whatever. That's easily another 40 minutes. Go over the wrong answers, takes 3-4 hours (i.e. actually try to figure out why you got the answer wrong and what mistake you made). Read powerscore. 1 hour. Then you do extra practice questions pertaining to that area. 3-4 hours. Account for intermittent breaks.NayBoer wrote:How can you spend 16 hours on each test? This seems like a level of effort that would be required for somebody dealing with ESL or a learning/reading disability. Or both.motiontodismiss wrote:24 weeks*8 hours*5 days/wk (weekends off). 59 Preptests. Spend 2 days on each (do it for 1 day, go over the wrong answers and extra practice the next). That alone is 118 days. Put in intermittent Powerscore bibling and you got 8 hours, 6 months.
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6 hours on an untimed PT? Assuming 4 sections, that's 90 minutes each. I think if it you takes you 90 minutes then you aren't yet ready to do PTs and should just focus on the bibles, to learn the basics.
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