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nyuer2010
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transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby nyuer2010 » Tue May 18, 2010 2:00 pm

I'm a white guy with two years of Capitol Hill experience and I'm going to NYU next fall. What do I have to do to get accepted as a transfer to Harvard or Yale for my 2L year?

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby Gamecubesupreme » Tue May 18, 2010 2:02 pm

Finish 1L in the Top 1% of your class.

Better yet, just be the top of the class and you're a shoe-in.

Almost.

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby vanwinkle » Tue May 18, 2010 2:03 pm

From NYU: Make Law Review.

But if you make Law Review, it might be better to stay at NYU.

That's the trick with transferring up that close.

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby YCrevolution » Tue May 18, 2010 2:03 pm

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby 98234872348 » Tue May 18, 2010 2:04 pm

nyuer2010 wrote:I'm a white guy with two years of Capitol Hill experience and I'm going to NYU next fall. What do I have to do to get accepted as a transfer to Harvard or Yale for my 2L year?

If you do well enough at NYU to transfer to Y/H, I question whether or not it would even be worth it to transfer.

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby nyuer2010 » Tue May 18, 2010 2:06 pm

Yeah, I'm just curious. If I did transfer, it'd mainly be for LRAP reasons and for lay reputation.

Thanks for your thoughts!

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby Steven Perry » Tue May 18, 2010 2:12 pm

Don't bother transferring from NYU. If you can get the grades to do so then you're going to be just fine in terms of job prospects. It just seems absurdly stupid to risk top grades from a top 6 university just to get into a place ranked slightly higher, for whatever reason.

And doesn't NYU have a good LRAP program?

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby nyuer2010 » Tue May 18, 2010 2:21 pm

Pretty good LRAP, but Yale's is way better...

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby Always Credited » Tue May 18, 2010 2:29 pm

If you can get into Yale, go Yale. But top of NYU -> Harvard is really unnecessary...your career prospects will likely be better from NYU. Unless Harvard is your dream school, which may make the transfer worth it in solely sentimental ways.

But again, if you can get into Yale I'd advise insta-attendance.

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby Tautology » Tue May 18, 2010 2:36 pm

I could see there being a long term payoff to transfering. A name like Harvard or Yale stays with you your whole career.

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby Always Credited » Tue May 18, 2010 2:39 pm

Tautology wrote:I could see there being a long term payoff to transfering. A name like Harvard or Yale stays with you your whole career.


But the chance of transferring to Harvard and bombing there is a real - and its unclear whether bottom of H would be more advantageous than top of NYU in the long run. Top of NYU almost certainly takes the cake in the short run.

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby acadec » Tue May 18, 2010 2:42 pm

Tautology wrote:I could see there being a long term payoff to transfering. A name like Harvard or Yale stays with you your whole career.

Like NYU doesn't? Harvard and Yale have more lay appeal, but if you're going to a certain law school to impress people at parties, you're gonna wanna rethink your career plans. Top 10% at NYU (without which it'd be hard to see you transferring up) is incredibly prestigious and certainly nothing to scoff at.

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby rundoxierun » Tue May 18, 2010 2:44 pm

These questions are borderline silly.. the only reasons to transfer up from a T10 school are family sicknesses, SO got a job somewhere else, and other personal reasons. You dont transfer from to 25% at NYU to Harvard for job prospects or "lay prestige".

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby Tautology » Tue May 18, 2010 2:50 pm

I'm not scoffing at NYU, but I think saying you graduated from HLS or YLS carries more weight than NYU, and overtime it seems like that name would overtake class rank as far as importance goes. Maybe not. My main point was that it's not just a short term decision.

I also don't consider the chance of doing terribly at HY after doing very well at NYU to be significant, especially since I don't even know what doing poorly at schools with 3-4 different grades looks like.

Anyway, I don't really care whether it's a good idea or not, since I'm not doing it.

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby thelawz09 » Tue May 18, 2010 2:53 pm

acadec wrote:
Tautology wrote:I could see there being a long term payoff to transfering. A name like Harvard or Yale stays with you your whole career.

Like NYU doesn't? Harvard and Yale have more lay appeal, but if you're going to a certain law school to impress people at parties, you're gonna wanna rethink your career plans. Top 10% at NYU (without which it'd be hard to see you transferring up) is incredibly prestigious and certainly nothing to scoff at.


I know someone who wants to run for office and transferred after their 1L year a few years ago largely to get the political bounce that comes with YLS/HLS lay reputation.

I'd also add that if you're top 10% at NYU, you're probably not going to drop to the bottom of HLS. As they say, 1L grades are a better predictor of performance in law school than anything else.

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby thisamericanlife » Tue May 18, 2010 3:07 pm

Harvard recently took about 20 transfers and Yale took about 14. Those are not good odds.

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby CordeliusX » Tue May 18, 2010 3:18 pm

Damn is Stanford that undesirable? Or transfer to Columbia, it's close to NYU... :mrgreen:

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby js87 » Tue May 18, 2010 3:24 pm

Everyone is stating that if you're at the top of your class at a top school, it's not worth it to transfer. But would it be worth it if your career goal is legal academia?

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby Borhas » Tue May 18, 2010 3:40 pm

js87 wrote:Everyone is stating that if you're at the top of your class at a top school, it's not worth it to transfer. But would it be worth it if your career goal is legal academia?


don't transfers lose out on Law Review? seems like that would kill legal academia hopes

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby Tautology » Tue May 18, 2010 3:48 pm

Borhas wrote:
js87 wrote:Everyone is stating that if you're at the top of your class at a top school, it's not worth it to transfer. But would it be worth it if your career goal is legal academia?


don't transfers lose out on Law Review? seems like that would kill legal academia hopes


you'd have to check the individual school policies, but I think most leave a few spots for transfers. You don't necessarily lose out, but you would go from having a spot to having to fight for one.

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby of Benito Cereno » Tue May 18, 2010 3:48 pm

where is this top 10% number coming from?
Someone on TLS with a 3.6 at Columbia transfered to HLS (his wife was going to HBS though). Is that top 10%?

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby Pisto3 » Tue May 18, 2010 3:49 pm

Borhas wrote:
js87 wrote:Everyone is stating that if you're at the top of your class at a top school, it's not worth it to transfer. But would it be worth it if your career goal is legal academia?


don't transfers lose out on Law Review? seems like that would kill legal academia hopes


"The Harvard Law Review encourages transfer applicants to apply for membership on the Review. If you wish to be considered for membership, you must participate in the Writing Competition. All prospective transfer students may participate in the competition, including those who intend to apply and have not yet done so and those who have applied and have not yet received a decision. You will be notified of the results of the Writing Competition in late July."

http://www.law.harvard.edu/prospective/ ... index.html

"Transfer students are welcome to participate in FIP (the Fall Interview Program for 2L summer jobs) and to try out for the Yale Law Journal (or to simply sign up to join any of the secondary journals). "

http://www.top-law-schools.com/yale-law-school.html

Basically, if you transfer, you lose out on the auto-admit option for being a top student during 1L, but if you can rock the competition, you still have a chance...

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby NU_Jet55 » Tue May 18, 2010 4:10 pm

Sorry to piggyback on OP's Question, but at what point(in terms of the rank of a school) does it become worth it to transfer from a T20 school? Duke/Northwestern? MVP?

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby clintonius » Tue May 18, 2010 4:19 pm

Political motives may be a valid reason to transfer up to HLS (probably a good deal more valid that Yale for that particular goal, given the size of Harvard's network). Similarly, Academia may be a valid reason to go to Yale and HLS to a lesser extent. Firm prospects are not a good reason to move, especially if you want NYC.* And to answer Tautology's assertion that the name stays with you your whole career, the wisdom I've gotten states that first firm job is the most important in terms of your career move later on. That comes from an in-house lawyer on the boards.

of Benito Cereno -- I believe I've read that Harvard places weight on your reasons for wanting to transfer, and they specify things such as spousal jobs/schooling.

*anecdotally, my firm just got its first wave of summers. Of 55, 13 each are from CLS and NYU. Seven come from Harvard, and four from Yale. Big firms dig deeply into the top local schools.

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Re: transferring to Harvard or Yale

Postby im_blue » Tue May 18, 2010 6:10 pm

If you have to ask, you're not going to make it.




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