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178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby sumo » Sat May 15, 2010 7:09 pm

With a 178 LSAT but 3.3 GPA from Duke (though trending upwards if that matters), what am I looking at in terms of T14, top 20, 30, etc?

Is a T14 school possible? The dream would be NYU or Columbia, but I have a feeling that won't be possible.

Thanks guys

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby 20121109 » Sat May 15, 2010 7:10 pm

ED at either Columbia or NYU

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby sumo » Sat May 15, 2010 7:17 pm

I forgot to add that there is nothing like minority status or legacy or anything like that to help.

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby Drake014 » Sat May 15, 2010 7:25 pm

Blanket the T14 other than HYS. You'll get in somewhere. ED Columbia, NYU, Chicago

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby februaryftw » Sat May 15, 2010 8:07 pm

4-14 should be your goal, unless you are looking for scholarship money. ED will help. You'll definitely hit t14.

What was your major? Do you have a number of difficult classes? If it is a major renowned for grade deflation, you'll get a little more leeway. The upward curve will help slightly in this context. The reason is some schools will wonder how well you'll do in the classroom, so they'll be more willing to forgive the bad GPA if it isn't so bad for your major. Not a lot--still mostly a numbers game--but might be a tie-breaker somewhere.

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby sumo » Sat May 15, 2010 8:20 pm

PolSci major. Major GPA is something like 3.5 or 3.6. The bad grades are in math and econ.

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby NayBoer » Sat May 15, 2010 8:24 pm

februaryftw wrote:What was your major? Do you have a number of difficult classes? If it is a major renowned for grade deflation, you'll get a little more leeway.
This effect is close to zero for almost all schools. It matters more if your UG was HYPS, but even that is a relatively small effect and might only help at certain schools.

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby h4rryp0tter » Sat May 15, 2010 8:57 pm

sumo wrote:With a 178 LSAT but 3.3 GPA from Duke (though trending upwards if that matters), what am I looking at in terms of T14, top 20, 30, etc?

Is a T14 school possible? The dream would be NYU or Columbia, but I have a feeling that won't be possible.

Thanks guys
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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby februaryftw » Sat May 15, 2010 9:02 pm

NayBoer wrote:
februaryftw wrote:What was your major? Do you have a number of difficult classes? If it is a major renowned for grade deflation, you'll get a little more leeway.
This effect is close to zero for almost all schools. It matters more if your UG was HYPS, but even that is a relatively small effect and might only help at certain schools.


I can assure you that a music major with a 3.3 is going to have a different cycle than an engineering major with a 3.3. Even here the effect won't be huge--as I noted--but the music major will have less t14 acceptances, pretty well guaranteed. As a heavy splitter, you are in the mushy middle--a school can take or leave you. Bringing a solid degree to the table helps.

For this case, it won't help or hurt. But we didn't know that until now.

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby rayiner » Sat May 15, 2010 9:10 pm

h4rryp0tter wrote:
sumo wrote:With a 178 LSAT but 3.3 GPA from Duke (though trending upwards if that matters), what am I looking at in terms of T14, top 20, 30, etc?

Is a T14 school possible? The dream would be NYU or Columbia, but I have a feeling that won't be possible.

Thanks guys


you can get into any t14 school w/ a 178. in at harvard, yale, nyu, columbia. just make a good ps. i have a 3.3 and im shooting for a 170 to almost guarantee a spot at a t20 school


LOL.

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby h4rryp0tter » Sat May 15, 2010 9:13 pm

februaryftw wrote:
NayBoer wrote:
februaryftw wrote:What was your major? Do you have a number of difficult classes? If it is a major renowned for grade deflation, you'll get a little more leeway.
This effect is close to zero for almost all schools. It matters more if your UG was HYPS, but even that is a relatively small effect and might only help at certain schools.


I can assure you that a music major with a 3.3 is going to have a different cycle than an engineering major with a 3.3. Even here the effect won't be huge--as I noted--but the music major will have less t14 acceptances, pretty well guaranteed. As a heavy splitter, you are in the mushy middle--a school can take or leave you. Bringing a solid degree to the table helps.

For this case, it won't help or hurt. But we didn't know that until now.


I disagree. It does not matter what your major is as long as it is a good & competitive school. If you are a music major at a good music school with a 3.3 it holds as much weight as an engineering major at a good engineering school. And who has the right to say that an engineering major is a more solid degree than a music major?
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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby Holly Golightly » Sat May 15, 2010 9:16 pm

Some of the people ITT are ridiculous, but yes, you should definitely be in at a few t-14. I was in at a couple with a 3.3 and 172. Blanket them and choose your ED wisely.

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby rayiner » Sat May 15, 2010 9:19 pm

h4rryp0tter wrote:
februaryftw wrote:
NayBoer wrote:
februaryftw wrote:What was your major? Do you have a number of difficult classes? If it is a major renowned for grade deflation, you'll get a little more leeway.
This effect is close to zero for almost all schools. It matters more if your UG was HYPS, but even that is a relatively small effect and might only help at certain schools.


I can assure you that a music major with a 3.3 is going to have a different cycle than an engineering major with a 3.3. Even here the effect won't be huge--as I noted--but the music major will have less t14 acceptances, pretty well guaranteed. As a heavy splitter, you are in the mushy middle--a school can take or leave you. Bringing a solid degree to the table helps.

For this case, it won't help or hurt. But we didn't know that until now.


I disagree. It does not matter what your major is as long as it is a good & competitive school. If you are a music major at a good music school with a 3.3 it holds as much weight as an engineering major at a good engineering school. And who has the right to say that an engineering major is a more solid degree than a music major? A 178 will get you into the school of your choice as long as you arn't totally stupid and mess up the rest of your apps which you probably won't do if you are smart enough to get a 178.


This is wrong. A 3.3 isn't getting into YHS with a 180, and probably won't even crack CCN.

Also, schools tend to be more forgiving of GPAs for engineers within a certain range. NU is a splitter-heavy school but we have like double the percentage of science/engineering majors as peer schools.

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby 20121109 » Sat May 15, 2010 9:22 pm

h4rryp0tter wrote:
sumo wrote:With a 178 LSAT but 3.3 GPA from Duke (though trending upwards if that matters), what am I looking at in terms of T14, top 20, 30, etc?

Is a T14 school possible? The dream would be NYU or Columbia, but I have a feeling that won't be possible.

Thanks guys


you can get into any t14 school w/ a 178. in at harvard, yale, nyu, columbia. just make a good ps. i have a 3.3 and im shooting for a 170 to almost guarantee a spot at a t20 school


Easily the most uninformed opinion I've ever seen on TLS.

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby h4rryp0tter » Sat May 15, 2010 9:27 pm

GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:
h4rryp0tter wrote:
sumo wrote:With a 178 LSAT but 3.3 GPA from Duke (though trending upwards if that matters), what am I looking at in terms of T14, top 20, 30, etc?

Is a T14 school possible? The dream would be NYU or Columbia, but I have a feeling that won't be possible.

Thanks guys


you can get into any t14 school w/ a 178. in at harvard, yale, nyu, columbia. just make a good ps. i have a 3.3 and im shooting for a 170 to almost guarantee a spot at a t20 school


Easily the most uninformed opinion I've ever seen on TLS.
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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby AngryAvocado » Sat May 15, 2010 9:29 pm

h4rryp0tter wrote:
GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:
h4rryp0tter wrote:
sumo wrote:With a 178 LSAT but 3.3 GPA from Duke (though trending upwards if that matters), what am I looking at in terms of T14, top 20, 30, etc?

Is a T14 school possible? The dream would be NYU or Columbia, but I have a feeling that won't be possible.

Thanks guys


you can get into any t14 school w/ a 178. in at harvard, yale, nyu, columbia. just make a good ps. i have a 3.3 and im shooting for a 170 to almost guarantee a spot at a t20 school


Easily the most uninformed opinion I've ever seen on TLS.

Obama got into Harvard with a 3.3.


rayiner wrote:LOL.
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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby februaryftw » Sat May 15, 2010 9:29 pm

harry potter casts flame spell

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby 20121109 » Sat May 15, 2010 9:29 pm

h4rryp0tter wrote:
GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:
h4rryp0tter wrote:
sumo wrote:With a 178 LSAT but 3.3 GPA from Duke (though trending upwards if that matters), what am I looking at in terms of T14, top 20, 30, etc?

Is a T14 school possible? The dream would be NYU or Columbia, but I have a feeling that won't be possible.

Thanks guys


you can get into any t14 school w/ a 178. in at harvard, yale, nyu, columbia. just make a good ps. i have a 3.3 and im shooting for a 170 to almost guarantee a spot at a t20 school


Easily the most uninformed opinion I've ever seen on TLS.

Obama got into Harvard with a 3.3.


Eschewing the fact that you may be a flame, and/or trying to start a URM debate...Does that mean that anyone can get into any T14 school w/ a 178?

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby 06132010 » Sat May 15, 2010 9:29 pm

You should apply to the entire T-14 except HYS. ED at your first choice among CCN.

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby Iuvo » Sat May 15, 2010 9:36 pm

Apply to S as well. They're really a black box. That's assuming you're not a boring person.

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby romothesavior » Sat May 15, 2010 9:38 pm

februaryftw wrote:harry potter casts flame spell


Haha huge +1.

First of all, grades a few decades ago were a lot different than they are today. Grade inflation is rampant nowadays, which means more high GPAs for schools to pick from. 3.3 won't cut it anymore at Harvard, but it very well could have 20+ years ago. And second, Obama was a URM with decent softs in the late-1980s. You can't compare admissions then to admissions now.

/discussion, but continue thread

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby acadec » Sat May 15, 2010 9:42 pm

februaryftw wrote:harry potter casts flame spell

180.

...which i guess means you're in at HYS, as long as you broke 2.0

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby merichard87 » Sun May 16, 2010 12:47 am

Sir you are bringing disgrace upon the good name of Harry Potter. HOW DARE YOU? Your opinions are not credited. That is all.

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby sumo » Sun May 16, 2010 2:55 am

So some say a chance at CCN, probably? I'll take that.

How much does ED help you? Is it a similar situation to college?

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Re: 178 LSAT But Low GPA

Postby vexion » Sun May 16, 2010 9:27 am

sumo wrote:So some say a chance at CCN, probably? I'll take that.

How much does ED help you? Is it a similar situation to college?

If you're on the cusp at that school, it will push you over, but it's no guarantee if your numbers aren't already somewhere near their admissions standards. It does have the added benefit of getting you to the top of the stack when all the seats are still open, though.

Congrats on rocking the LSAT, btw! Über-jealous.




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