of Benito Cereno wrote:yea, its hard to get into stanford and yale. but really, overall its not very hard to get into a top10 law school and you really do not have to be very hard working or brilliant to go to CCN or even HYS. Getting over a 170 on the lsat really shouldn't require much effort if you're not an idiot and getting a 3.7+ gpa doesn't require you to be very smart in the humanities and social sciences, it just requires that you show up and do most of your work. I know plenty of mediocre people with 3.8 gpas who just were responsible and relatively bright. I also know plenty of mediocre people with 174+ lsats who just happen to be kinda bright. Sure most kids at yale law are pretty extraordinary. But the students at Columbia or Harvard I know are mostly just responsible students and pretty bright. Sure there are some really smart people at those schools but most are just your run of the mill kinda smart and kinda successful people. Getting into law school, even a top 5 one, is not much of an accomplishment (trust me, the kids doing phds and mds work way harder and often are much smarter) so lets not act as if students at top5 law schools are really competing against the best of the best. Columbia, for example, (where I will be matriculating) is filled with 174/3.65ish types... thats really nothing special. The kid who gets a 3.65 at, say, tufts or williams in english or history is probably not particularly hard working and the 174 lsat is, well, pretty damn easy to get. Sure some people mess up on the test day but really anyone moderately smart can break a 170 on practice tests. After that its just luck (mostly). I don't know anyone who got below a 165 on the lsat (I also don't know anyone going to a school ranked lower than fordham...) and know plenty of totally normal t-shirt wearing bland sportfans who did decently at decent UGs and took a dozen practice tests and now go to top 10 schools. none of these people are very smart; most never read books. really most are just normal bright upper-middle class kids from professional families. the kids i know at yale law are mostly really smart but otherwise let's stop acting like columbia or nyu or even harvard are filled with elite super-brainiacs.
Dude is this a flame? The median LSAT out of Harvard is 166, Yale 165, and I think 163 out of MIT. Even at the grade inflated Ivies getting a 3.8 marks you out as a strong student. Which is why that only somewhere around a quarter of people at HYPS UG can even get into a T6.
Other programs have more specialized requirements which are a lot of work, but what difference does that make.
Like many posters here I know people who got into top 10 med schools and top 5 law/grad schools or went straight to consulting or I-banking. While each program has different requirements and different outliers it is not exactly a mystery that they all draw upon the same pool of people. People who did very well at roughly 25 top schools. You my think most of these people are idiots or douches but then by that measures be glad you haven't spent anytime around med students.