CCN %'s and job prospects

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Re: TLS negativity getting to me

Postby spondee » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:50 pm

ChildPlease wrote:
Unemployed wrote:I heard NYU did a little better (70%?)

Relaxing the curve was a smart move.

70%????? This can't be correct. Where did you hear this?


1. They're peer schools. The numbers should be close.

2. As Unemployed has pointed out, the percentages are referring only to the pre-semester, summer OCI. Both schools (I think) then have fall OCIs during which more students may have received offers. Plus, students' own job search efforts may have landed additional offers. So the final XX% of CLS and XX% of NYU offered at NLJ250 firms will likely be different...

3. Most importantly, the difference between the numbers is small - perhaps insignificant. Small enough at least that the possible explanations are varied. It might be, as Unemployed said, due to NYU's recently kinder curve. It might be that the stereotypes are true: NYU students are kinder, more outgoing (and better interviewing) folks than their uptown, uptight peers. It might be that NYU students doubted their school's brand and undersold themselves in greater numbers to lower-ranked firms.

Or... it's just one (weird) year's results at one stage of hiring. Don't take it to be empirical proof of employer preferences. Take it as a rough estimate: about 2/3rds of CCN got offers out of the first OCI.

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Re: TLS negativity getting to me

Postby romothesavior » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:53 pm

spondee wrote:
ChildPlease wrote:
Unemployed wrote:I heard NYU did a little better (70%?)

Relaxing the curve was a smart move.

70%????? This can't be correct. Where did you hear this?


1. They're peer schools. The numbers should be close.


No they're not, especially when talking big law.

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Re: CCN %'s and job prospects

Postby Lysis » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:54 pm

2/3rds of the students who participated or 2/3rds of the class?

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Re: TLS negativity getting to me

Postby remotelyfeasible » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:06 pm

romothesavior wrote:
spondee wrote:
ChildPlease wrote:
Unemployed wrote:I heard NYU did a little better (70%?)

Relaxing the curve was a smart move.

70%????? This can't be correct. Where did you hear this?


1. They're peer schools. The numbers should be close.


No they're not, especially when talking big law.


Please describe two schools that *are* peers schools, if NYU and Columbia are not.

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Re: TLS negativity getting to me

Postby romothesavior » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:07 pm

remotelyfeasible wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
spondee wrote:
1. They're peer schools. The numbers should be close.


No they're not, especially when talking big law.


Please describe two schools that *are* peers schools, if NYU and Columbia are not.


Stanford and Columbia.

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Re: TLS negativity getting to me

Postby remotelyfeasible » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:09 pm

romothesavior wrote:Stanford and Columbia.


Ohhh, you're a 0L. I understand now. Carry on.

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Re: TLS negativity getting to me

Postby Kretzy » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:12 pm

romothesavior wrote:
remotelyfeasible wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
spondee wrote:
1. They're peer schools. The numbers should be close.


No they're not, especially when talking big law.


Please describe two schools that *are* peers schools, if NYU and Columbia are not.


Stanford and Columbia.


Stanford 0L talking, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Really liking both of these schools, this doesn't seem right. Stanford had a single-digit number of students come out of OCI without positions (we were told 2 at ASW, of those who sought Biglaw). Columbia had greater than 30%.

Now I think both these schools are well-worth sticker price, but calling them "peers" for all intents and purposes seems disingenuous. They are peers for elite biglaw opportunities in NYC, and on the east coast, but beyond that Stanford does seem to have a placement edge. This is particularly true for the bottom quartile of each class.
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Re: TLS negativity getting to me

Postby romothesavior » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:14 pm

remotelyfeasible wrote:
romothesavior wrote:Stanford and Columbia.


Ohhh, you're a 0L. I understand now. Carry on.


First of all, relax... I was just trying to rile up the whole "Columbia is waaaay better than NYU" debate that ensued after the new rankings. Looks like I succeeded.

NYU and Columbia are peer schools in the sense that they are both fantastic and they're in the same city. Columbia has traditionally outpaced NYU for biglaw. Not by a lot, but they are consistently better, and it would be odd if NYU students were faring better than Columbia this year.

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Re: TLS negativity getting to me

Postby Unemployed » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:18 pm

Kretzy wrote:Stanford 0L talking, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Really liking both of these schools, this doesn't seem right. Stanford had a single-digit number of students come out of OCI without positions (we were told 2 at ASW, of those who sought Biglaw). Columbia had greater than 30%.

Now I think both these schools are well-worth sticker price, but calling them "peers" for all intents and purposes seems disingenuous. They are peers for elite biglaw opportunities in NYC, and on the east coast, but beyond that Stanford does seem to have a placement edge. This is particularly true for the bottom quartile of each class.


Is that right? I heard the "2" people claim was with respect to how many people don't have jobs as of ASW.

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Re: TLS negativity getting to me

Postby Kretzy » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:22 pm

Unemployed wrote:
Kretzy wrote:Stanford 0L talking, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Really liking both of these schools, this doesn't seem right. Stanford had a single-digit number of students come out of OCI without positions (we were told 2 at ASW, of those who sought Biglaw). Columbia had greater than 30%.

Now I think both these schools are well-worth sticker price, but calling them "peers" for all intents and purposes seems disingenuous. They are peers for elite biglaw opportunities in NYC, and on the east coast, but beyond that Stanford does seem to have a placement edge. This is particularly true for the bottom quartile of each class.


Is that right? I heard the "2" people claim was with respect to how many people don't have jobs as of ASW.


My understanding was that two 2Ls who sought positions through OCI received zero offers. Knowing there are conflicting descriptions out there, I'd need someone else there to either vouch for what I've said or agree with the alternate view.

I very well could have heard wrong, but I remember thinking "damn, those are great odds for OCI" (and in fact writing that exact phrase down in my folder) after hearing the placement stats.

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Re: TLS negativity getting to me

Postby Unemployed » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:24 pm

Kretzy wrote:
Unemployed wrote:
Kretzy wrote:Stanford 0L talking, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Really liking both of these schools, this doesn't seem right. Stanford had a single-digit number of students come out of OCI without positions (we were told 2 at ASW, of those who sought Biglaw). Columbia had greater than 30%.

Now I think both these schools are well-worth sticker price, but calling them "peers" for all intents and purposes seems disingenuous. They are peers for elite biglaw opportunities in NYC, and on the east coast, but beyond that Stanford does seem to have a placement edge. This is particularly true for the bottom quartile of each class.


Is that right? I heard the "2" people claim was with respect to how many people don't have jobs as of ASW.


My understanding was that two 2Ls who sought positions through OCI received zero offers. Knowing there are conflicting descriptions out there, I'd need someone else there to either vouch for what I've said or agree with the alternate view.

I very well could have heard wrong, but I remember thinking "damn, those are great odds for OCI" (and in fact writing that exact phrase down in my folder) after hearing the placement stats.


I don't really doubt it. Stanford has higher prestige, fewer students, and even fewer students actually seeking biglaw jobs...




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