Glad to see some arguing going on here.
Let me re-focus the discussion. Legal job openings are few and far between. As BIGLAW jobs dry up, it creates a ripple effect in the legal sector. BIGLAW aspirants who couldn't get BIGLAW then use their credentials to get public interest/government jobs which were where worse-ranked schools placed graduates. Now many of these "TTT" graduates have no where to land after graduation.
So here are the outcome scenarios:
$120,000 in debt + NO JOB = YOUR [FRICKED].
$120,000 in debt + BIGLAW = YOUR GREAT!
$0 in debt + NO JOB = YOULL PROBABLY SURVIVE.
$0 in debt + JOB = YOUR GREAT!
To be honest, I don't really give a [dang] where you want to work or what kind of advocacy you want to do after graduation. If you don't have any debt, then knock yourself out and do whatever you want. If you have 6-figures of debt, you typically have two options: BIGLAW, or a credit score that tears you a new anus because you can't make the student loan payments. Good luck getting a house, mortgage, or any other type of legitimate loan.
I keep hearing about IBR. (Please take a moment to re-read what I posted above about the current availability of public interest and qualifying-government jobs.) THERE IS ALSO A SHORTAGE OF IBR-QUALIFYING JOBS! So kiss IBR goodbye, say hello to waiting tables/bartending/basement doc review/craigslist.
But I'll repeat. $0 in debt + NO JOB = YOUR OK. If you aren't taking on any (or very low) debt in law school, then you can totally disregard all of this gloom because you won't have to worry about crushing loan payments.
Ya, I know a lot of 1Ls and 2Ls that got non-BIGLAW summer legal jobs. The huge problem is that THEY DON'T LEAD TO FULL TIME OFFERS AFTER GRADUATION. Corporate in-house, government, etc. don't take on first-year associates because it costs to much to train them (thank you again law school for your terrible curriculum of relevant legal skills). So besides law firms and federal clerking, I don't really see many employment opportunities for new JD holders.
SportsFanatic wrote:ummmm. I didn't read the entire thread, but this person went to Chapman and is complaining about getting no offers from Big Law. I stopped reading after that.
Try reading that thread again. "Cautious T22 URM" is not the one going to Chapman. If I had to take a wild guess, I would assume he is attending a "T22." ("To be fair" attends Chapman apparently.)
honestabe84 wrote:If JDUers spent a 10th of the time working towards succeeding as they do on TLS and JDU, they would probably be senior partners at a V10 firm.
1. I've never even been to JDU.
2. By reading the few dissenters in this thread besides myself, you understand that we ARE THE SUCCESSFUL ONES telling you this?!? We are the ones that made it out alive by the skin of our teeth, and it hasn't (for the most part) been an enjoyable experience doing so. Of course I would be more skeptical of what we said if none of us had jobs and were just griping about our shitty grades and unemployment status.
3. To everyone else calling for us dissenters to be banned or our posts just put in the corner shadows in a thread that groups all of our comments together (probably so that 0L TLSers are disinclined to even look at them), you would either have to be 0Ls or law students with zero 2L/3L friends. But hey, I guess if you're going to Duke with your guys' 100% employment rate, of course you wouldn't see the slaughter...lol
A'nold wrote:A question that is never answered by you guys: What the hell do you advise people to do w/ their Poli Sci degree now?
I understand that this is an often-asked question and a very complex one. Of course, if you had been planning to go to be a lawyer since your freshman year, then you should've been watching the legal market very closely. (And yes, unless you started pursuing your polisci degree in 2008, you've been screwed. Sorry. You have only the FHA to thank.) I think anyone in a polisci program knows that there are not many BA polisci jobs out there (or liberal arts in general). Too bad. You can still get an entry-level job somewhere and defer your LS start date until things start clearing up. If you can't get some government-related job (or whatever else actually uses the knowledge learned in political science classes), then get what you can get. You really think taking out $100,000 in loans in the answer? I don't think so. You might as well buy $100,000 in lotto tickets. Probably similar odds of paying off your debt.
And to counter your question with another. Why the [heck] do 0Ls take advice from other 0Ls who have absolutely zero experience with the law school process? I want to say it's so you can keep your hopes alive and don't have to face the real-world facts that the legal market is over-saturated, and that paying back thousands of dollars in students loans will be easy.To repeat one more time, if you won't have any loans, then you will probably be fine. If you will be taking out a significant amount in student loans (aka "paying sticker" or half-tuition even), think very long and hard about your decision to do so. In this legal market, you have a very good chance of not being able to repay them.