Top Tier/ Awesome softs

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Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby lolalolalola » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:52 pm

I see a lot of the "what are my chances?" posts, and the responses tend to have a huge range - some strike me as too cautious, some strike me as too optimistic.

So with that subjectivity in mind, I'd like to know - what are examples of awesome softs? Better yet, awesome softs that have been successful at the Top 3? :)

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby kalvano » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:54 pm

lolalolalola wrote:Better yet, awesome softs that have been successful at the Top 3? :)



A 4.0 GPA and a 180 LSAT.

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby dextermorgan » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:54 pm

kalvano wrote:
lolalolalola wrote:Better yet, awesome softs that have been successful at the Top 3? :)



A 4.0 GPA and a 180 LSAT.

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby JOThompson » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:56 pm

Military, Peace Corps, Teach for America, Fulbright Scholar, etc. are some of the better soft factors. Mileage may vary significantly with the two types. Ultimately though, it's going to come down to LSAT/GPA.

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby vanwinkle » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:58 pm

One of my classmates was an F-14 fighter pilot. He landed bomb-loaded jet planes on tiny moving runways in the middle of an ocean for years. Of course, for all I know, he had a 4.0/180 too.

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby Dany » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:04 pm

There are so many threads about this...

Basically, the fewer people with a soft, the better that soft is. Sorority? Not a good soft. Rhodes Scholar? Great soft.

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby cardnal124 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:08 pm

eskimo wrote:There are so many threads about this...

Basically, the fewer people with a soft, the better that soft is. Sorority? Not a good soft. Rhodes Scholar? Great soft.


So if I was at a party that holds the record in the Guinness book of world record's for most handlebar mustaches in a room, that would be money? I mean, there were only a few hundred of us, most not going to LS, and it was hosted by the Hulk Hogan.

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby kalvano » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:10 pm

vanwinkle wrote:One of my classmates was an F-14 fighter pilot. He landed bomb-loaded jet planes on tiny moving runways in the middle of an ocean for years. Of course, for all I know, he had a 4.0/180 too.



Why the hell would he want to give up that job to be a lawyer? He gets paid to go really damn fast and blow shit up. That's the single greatest job on Earth.

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby JOThompson » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:12 pm

kalvano wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:One of my classmates was an F-14 fighter pilot. He landed bomb-loaded jet planes on tiny moving runways in the middle of an ocean for years. Of course, for all I know, he had a 4.0/180 too.



Why the hell would he want to give up that job to be a lawyer? He gets paid to go really damn fast and blow shit up. That's the single greatest job on Earth.

Senior officers don't get as much flight time, maybe. Might've been more keen on being a courtroom brawler than watching all his junior officers have fun.

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby kalvano » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:13 pm

I would insist judges address me by my call sign.

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby Mr. Pablo » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:17 pm

kalvano wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:One of my classmates was an F-14 fighter pilot. He landed bomb-loaded jet planes on tiny moving runways in the middle of an ocean for years. Of course, for all I know, he had a 4.0/180 too.



Why the hell would he want to give up that job to be a lawyer? He gets paid to go really damn fast and blow shit up. That's the single greatest job on Earth.

I'm sure its great until you realize that your going really damn fast with highly explosive material. You know, dying in a fiery explosion and taking your friends out with you.

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby lolalolalola » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:17 pm

eskimo wrote:There are so many threads about this...

Basically, the fewer people with a soft, the better that soft is. Sorority? Not a good soft. Rhodes Scholar? Great soft.


Back to the OT-

Which makes me think that Fulbright is not that great of a soft, considering it seems pretty easy to get.... So what are the non-Rhodes/Marshall etc. type softs, things like internships, WE, etc. that can mitigate a slightly lower than desired number?

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby kalvano » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:18 pm

Mr. Pablo wrote:I'm sure its great until you realize that your going really damn fast with highly explosive material. You know, dying in a fiery explosion and taking your friends out with you.



Everyone has to go sometime. I'd rather go in a giant fireball at Mach 3 than passed out on the sofa and have a heart attack.

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby kalvano » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:19 pm

lolalolalola wrote:things like internships, WE, etc. that can mitigate a slightly lower than desired number?



Nothing. Your numbers are your numbers. Softs will set you apart from candidates with numbers like yours, but won't make up for lower numbers.
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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby ConMan345 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:19 pm

My softs seemed to have helped me distinguish myself with otherwise middle-of-the-road stats

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby JOThompson » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:25 pm

kalvano wrote:
lolalolalola wrote:things like internships, WE, etc. that can mitigate a slightly lower than desired number?



Nothing. Your numbers are your numbers. Softs will set you apart from candidates with numbers like yours, but won't make up for lower numbers.

Generally true, but not always. My cycle went well for a sub 160 score, I made it into a couple T30s with $$ and was waitlisted at several T20s. All attributable to my soft factors, which were somewhat unique.

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby lolalolalola » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:29 pm

More feedback from those who have firsthand/anecdotal experience with these schools in particular, please!

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby kalvano » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:31 pm

JOThompson wrote:All attributable to my soft factors, which were somewhat unique.



Partially to that GPA too, I would imagine.

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby ConMan345 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:31 pm

lolalolalola wrote:JOThompson and Conman, can you please elaborate? PM me if you'd prefer. Thanks!

Check out my LSN profile that's linked in my TLS profile first. PM me if you have more questions.

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby Kretzy » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:33 pm

At SLS admit weekend, I met a lot of folks with the following:

- Fulbright/Marshall/Truman (only a couple of Rhodes scholars, who were equally impressive)
- combat veterans
- D-I athletes (though mostly in sports like track, swimming, and volleyball)
- interesting work experience, such as the White House or ibanking firms
- PhD work in difficult fields, especially the sciences.

I mean, everyone was interesting and compelling, but those seemed to be the 'softs' that stick out to me in retrospect, i.e. a non-trivial number of folks had them.

Mine felt fairly lackluster in comparison, but I am thrilled to be part of such a solid group of people :)

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby kalvano » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:33 pm

ConMan345 wrote:My softs seemed to have helped me distinguish myself with otherwise middle-of-the-road stats



Good sir, a 171 and a 3.91 are not "middle of the road".

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby vanwinkle » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:35 pm

kalvano wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:One of my classmates was an F-14 fighter pilot. He landed bomb-loaded jet planes on tiny moving runways in the middle of an ocean for years. Of course, for all I know, he had a 4.0/180 too.

Why the hell would he want to give up that job to be a lawyer? He gets paid to go really damn fast and blow shit up. That's the single greatest job on Earth.

Maybe he got diagnosed with night blindness and grounded, and wanted to become as aggressive and effective in the courtroom as he once was in the skies.

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby kalvano » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:38 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
kalvano wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:One of my classmates was an F-14 fighter pilot. He landed bomb-loaded jet planes on tiny moving runways in the middle of an ocean for years. Of course, for all I know, he had a 4.0/180 too.

Why the hell would he want to give up that job to be a lawyer? He gets paid to go really damn fast and blow shit up. That's the single greatest job on Earth.

Maybe he got diagnosed with night blindness and grounded, and wanted to become as aggressive and effective in the courtroom as he once was in the skies.



Maybe so.

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby JOThompson » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:40 pm

ConMan345 wrote:
lolalolalola wrote:JOThompson and Conman, can you please elaborate? PM me if you'd prefer. Thanks!

Check out my LSN profile that's linked in my TLS profile first. PM me if you have more questions.

Congrats on those acceptances!

OP, I sent you a PM with details. I do think that certain softs can make an impact on your success and that you can easily take certain steps to highlight the value of your soft factors. Overall though, admissions is about the numbers :(

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Re: Top Tier/ Awesome softs

Postby lolalolalola » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:42 pm

thanks for the PMs -

more responses welcome!




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