crackberry wrote:I think the underlined represents a pretty serious flaw. I went to Stanford, where, according to LSAC, my 3.89 put me in the 89th percentile of GPAs. But there is no way a 3.89 is 89th percentile at Stanford, where a ton of really smart engineers who don't even know what law school is get 3.3s despite working 80 hours a week.
that's interesting. my HYP 3.87 put me at the 93rd percentile according to LSAC. i guess you can't draw any conclusions based on such a small amount of data, but i would kind of expect that my school would be more inflated than S.
can't really say this anymore. hyps have some of the best scholarship/financial aid resources. if you're rich, why wouldn't you go to hyps? and if you're poor, hyps will throw money at you to have you attend (entirely need-based and no loans). for many lower-income students, hyps is cheaper than their state school.
yeah, this is true in a lot of cases. harvard got a lot of media attention for their most recent FA plan, which is free tuition for any family making 60,000 a year or less and 10% of income for any family between 60,000 to 180,000. if your family makes 80,000+, then 8,000 a year at berkeley is cheaper, but at 80,000-120,000, it's hardly different, and at 120,000+, we're out of lower-middle class territory. the FA office will also work with people who have extenuating circumstances.
in the vast majority of cases, it is not money that keeps people from attending HYP. what keeps them from attending is that they aren't admitted (under the completely need-blind admissions process).
money is a factor in being admitted in that it can allow you to build a more impressive resume, but admissions officers are aware of this and strive to evaluate people based on how well they took advantage of the opportunities they had. they expect more from a wealthy applicant. it is not a completely fair process, but it is a lot less unfair than people make it seem.
What would not happen: "Admit the Harvard kid because he went to Harvard, and reject the Berkeley kid b/c he went to Berkeley."
of course that wouldn't happen. i do think it influences people on a more subtle level, though.
i don't think a HYPS 3.5 trumps even a 3.8 from an average school (let alone a T15-20) in most cases, but i have noticed that an HYP 3.8+ seems to be as good or better than 3.9+ from elsewhere.
also, HYPS can be a protective factor against what would be an unadmittable GPA otherwise.