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It really is not fair that they take advantage of students like this, humoring their dreams and then leading them toward unemployment. It isn't fair because many of these students deserve better. For example, I know this guy who was great with electronics. He was so handy, but he had grand dreams of law school. He got some mid 140's score and into a Tier 4 school, and now can't find any work. He had a wonderful skill that he completely shunned so he could get some "prestigious" JD. Schools like this probably hurt many people in the same way, who have the skill to do something useful and meaningful, but throw it away on these deceitful schools that pray off the dreams of those who may not know better.

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dakatz wrote:It really is not fair that they take advantage of students like this, humoring their dreams and then leading them toward unemployment. It isn't fair because many of these students deserve better. For example, I know this guy who was great with electronics. He was so handy, but he had grand dreams of law school. He got some mid 140's score and into a Tier 4 school, and now can't find any work. He had a wonderful skill that he completely shunned so he could get some "prestigious" JD. Schools like this probably hurt many people in the same way, who have the skill to do something useful and meaningful, but throw it away on these deceitful schools that pray off the dreams of those who may not know better.

Especially Cooley. They actually try to trick their students by making their own rankings and placing themselves in the top 20. LOL.

What do we now live in a nanny state? I guess the govt should step in?

Please, if market determines that it is profitable for a school to open up a law school, then they should do it. Period. Unless the legal community itself (including the ABA) chooses strength of education over financial gain nothing will change. Then again, that's not the American way....

Can't wait until I start my law school.....No. 500!

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It should be mandatory for every law school applicant to thoroughly go through the TLS archives. This would solve the issue right away by opening each applicants eyes to what the prospects after law school are really like. MANY naive applicants seem to think that a law degree from anywhere is a golden ticket - a myth perpetuated by the media.

eldizknee wrote:

PoliticalJunkie wrote:What do we now live in a nanny state? I guess the govt should step in?

Please, if market determines that it is profitable for a school to open up a law school, then they should do it. Period. Unless the legal community itself (including the ABA) chooses strength of education over financial gain nothing will change. Then again, that's not the American way....

Can't wait until I start my law school.....No. 500!

The government has stepped in. They've subsidized education through below market rate loans.

Shh!!! Don't spoil his worldview of a perfect capitalist system with no government interference! And definitely don't leave him with the idea that he somehow is involved in it by taking student loans! That would break his widdle heart.

Medical has an O.D. which is easier to get than a M.D.

Law should have something similar. LIke a J.D.A. = Juris Doctorate's Assistant (All TTT and TTTT schools can award this).

Or a JTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTD.

romothesavior wrote:

eldizknee wrote:

PoliticalJunkie wrote:What do we now live in a nanny state? I guess the govt should step in?

Please, if market determines that it is profitable for a school to open up a law school, then they should do it. Period. Unless the legal community itself (including the ABA) chooses strength of education over financial gain nothing will change. Then again, that's not the American way....

Can't wait until I start my law school.....No. 500!

The government has stepped in. They've subsidized education through below market rate loans.

Shh!!! Don't spoil his worldview of a perfect capitalist system with no government interference! And definitely don't leave him with the idea that he somehow is involved in it by taking student loans! That would break his widdle heart.

Here we go.

honestabe84 wrote:It should be mandatory for every law school applicant to thoroughly go through the TLS archives. This would solve the issue right away by opening each applicants eyes to what the prospects after law school are really like. MANY naive applicants seem to think that a law degree from anywhere is a golden ticket - a myth perpetuated by the media.

Better yet, direct them to JDU or ATL.

romothesavior wrote:

honestabe84 wrote:It should be mandatory for every law school applicant to thoroughly go through the TLS archives. This would solve the issue right away by opening each applicants eyes to what the prospects after law school are really like. MANY naive applicants seem to think that a law degree from anywhere is a golden ticket - a myth perpetuated by the media.

Better yet, direct them to JDU or ATL.

+1

charlesjd wrote:

romothesavior wrote:

honestabe84 wrote:It should be mandatory for every law school applicant to thoroughly go through the TLS archives. This would solve the issue right away by opening each applicants eyes to what the prospects after law school are really like. MANY naive applicants seem to think that a law degree from anywhere is a golden ticket - a myth perpetuated by the media.

Better yet, direct them to JDU or ATL.

+1

You think you guys are pissed now, just wait till these guys start winning cases against you.

professional darwinism will solve this problem

patrickd139 wrote:

charlesjd wrote:

romothesavior wrote:

honestabe84 wrote:It should be mandatory for every law school applicant to thoroughly go through the TLS archives. This would solve the issue right away by opening each applicants eyes to what the prospects after law school are really like. MANY naive applicants seem to think that a law degree from anywhere is a golden ticket - a myth perpetuated by the media.

Better yet, direct them to JDU or ATL.

+1

You think you guys are pissed now, just wait till these guys start winning cases against you.

These comments always crack me up.

romothesavior wrote:

honestabe84 wrote:It should be mandatory for every law school applicant to thoroughly go through the TLS archives. This would solve the issue right away by opening each applicants eyes to what the prospects after law school are really like. MANY naive applicants seem to think that a law degree from anywhere is a golden ticket - a myth perpetuated by the media.

Better yet, direct them to JDU or ATL.

unfortunately, it won't help too large a number of them. i've only been on tls a couple of months and i cannot believe how many "but, but... no. i'm smart. i'm hardworking. i can network! you guyz are pessimists " posts i've seen.

charlesjd wrote:Medical has an O.D. which is easier to get than a M.D.

I assume you mean D.O. which today has really 0.001% difference from an M.D. They are all together easier to get into than MD schools yet there are D.O. school's more selective than some M.D.'s. Even still, easier to get into is still very relative. If you have a 2.5 UGPA and a 23P MCAT you aren't going to a Caribbean medical school let alone a D.O. school in the states. Whereas comparative GPA and LSAT has you auto-admit and Tier 4.

entrechatsix wrote:

romothesavior wrote:

honestabe84 wrote:It should be mandatory for every law school applicant to thoroughly go through the TLS archives. This would solve the issue right away by opening each applicants eyes to what the prospects after law school are really like. MANY naive applicants seem to think that a law degree from anywhere is a golden ticket - a myth perpetuated by the media.

Better yet, direct them to JDU or ATL.

unfortunately, it won't help too large a number of them. i've only been on tls a couple of months and i cannot believe how many "but, but... no. i'm smart. i'm hardworking. i can network! you guyz are pessimists " posts i've seen.

Don't forget the classic "just wait until I'm in the courtroom with you guys, then you'll be sorry!" line. (see above)

When we're talking about North Carolina Central it is worth noting that tuition and fees for a year are about $9,000. I would argue that this is a better option than any of the private T2 schools at sticker price. I think North Carolian Central also has a lot of part-time students who easily finish school without debt. Either way, the North Carolina Central graduates who go back to their hometowns to take lesser paying jobs (prosecuters, public defenders, solo's, etc) are in fine shape financially.

jh60405 wrote:When we're talking about North Carolina Central it is worth noting that tuition and fees for a year are about $9,000. I would argue that this is a better option than any of the private T2 schools at sticker price. I think North Carolian Central also has a lot of part-time students who easily finish school without debt. Either way, the North Carolina Central graduates who go back to their hometowns to take lesser paying jobs (prosecuters, public defenders, solo's, etc) are in fine shape financially.

^my thoughts

PoliticalJunkie wrote:What do we now live in a nanny state? I guess the govt should step in?

Please, if market determines that it is profitable for a school to open up a law school, then they should do it. Period. Unless the legal community itself (including the ABA) chooses strength of education over financial gain nothing will change. Then again, that's not the American way....

Can't wait until I start my law school.....No. 500!

It's not a free market, champ. ABA has a monopoly on legal advice and they are the standard bearers of the profession. What the poster above was suggesting (I think) is that the ABA not allow more schools to open in the interest of preserving the integrity of the profession. I don't think he/she implied that the government step in at any point.

IMO the ABA further has a responsibility to not allow a glut of attorneys to over-litigate every minute aspect of our daily lives. This is economically costly, makes America less competitive, and because the ABA has a government imposed monopoly on legal advice, essentially amounts to a tax on businesses. Think about the repercussions of having too many lawyers before you try to make an economic case for having more lawyers. I can't think of a rational economic case for expanding the legal profession.

e: shit I just realized I misread part of what you said. I think we're pretty much saying the same thing.

prezidentv8 wrote:

jh60405 wrote:When we're talking about North Carolina Central it is worth noting that tuition and fees for a year are about $9,000. I would argue that this is a better option than any of the private T2 schools at sticker price. I think North Carolian Central also has a lot of part-time students who easily finish school without debt. Either way, the North Carolina Central graduates who go back to their hometowns to take lesser paying jobs (prosecuters, public defenders, solo's, etc) are in fine shape financially.

^my thoughts

My thoughts too. People tend to talk about T3/T4 schools like they're one big homogenous category, but there is a world of difference between places like NCCU and places like Golden Gate, Cal Western, etc.

ughOSU wrote:

PoliticalJunkie wrote:What do we now live in a nanny state? I guess the govt should step in?

Please, if market determines that it is profitable for a school to open up a law school, then they should do it. Period. Unless the legal community itself (including the ABA) chooses strength of education over financial gain nothing will change. Then again, that's not the American way....

Can't wait until I start my law school.....No. 500!

It's not a free market, champ. ABA has a monopoly on legal advice and they are the standard bearers of the profession. What the poster above was suggesting (I think) is that the ABA not allow more schools to open in the interest of preserving the integrity of the profession. I don't think he/she implied that the government step in at any point.

IMO the ABA further has a responsibility to not allow a glut of attorneys to over-litigate every minute aspect of our daily lives. This is economically costly, makes America less competitive, and because the ABA has a government imposed monopoly on legal advice, essentially amounts to a tax on businesses. Think about the repercussions of having too many lawyers before you try to make an economic case for having more lawyers. I can't think of a rational economic case for expanding the legal profession.

e: shit I just realized I misread part of what you said. I think we're pretty much saying the same thing.

The AMA regulate the amount of medical schools that can be accredited, so the profession isn't turned into a joke. The ABA would be well advised to consider doing the same.

leraa6587 wrote: Please let us graduate law school before it becomes a total joke. These new schools shouldn't be allowed to award J.D.'s, some lesser degree should be invented... I vote B.L.- Bachelor of Law.

The US is the only country (well Australia, too, in few, few programs) where schools award "doctoral" degrees as the first, entry-level law degree. All the other Western nations award the Bachelor of Law.

By the way, I understand you had a scare from a bad practice score, but there has to be a better way to recover your self-esteem than hating on low-ranked schools?