+ avg softs + no LSAT scoreCMDantes wrote: Pretty much the only bad thing about my application will be the horrendous GPA.
with anything below a 173, your chances at the T10 don't are not great (with pulling an ED)
so study hard
+ avg softs + no LSAT scoreCMDantes wrote: Pretty much the only bad thing about my application will be the horrendous GPA.
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I definitely agree with you on that. I shouldn't have said 'genius' in relation to a 180, I recognize it's mostly about luck at that point.Desert Fox wrote:
And the difference between a 175 and a 180 is having to take a piss during one 35 minute section.
Once you get past 173ish area the LSAT isn't about how smart you are, its about how detailed you can be under pressures, plus a large helping of luck.
I see your point about one year destroying your chances, but what the does LSAT have to do with it?
http://northwestern.lawschoolnumbers.com/statsCMDantes wrote:I definitely agree with you on that. I shouldn't have said 'genius' in relation to a 180, I recognize it's mostly about luck at that point.Desert Fox wrote:
And the difference between a 175 and a 180 is having to take a piss during one 35 minute section.
Once you get past 173ish area the LSAT isn't about how smart you are, its about how detailed you can be under pressures, plus a large helping of luck.
I see your point about one year destroying your chances, but what the does LSAT have to do with it?
I brought up the LSAT mainly due to the extreme importance schools seem to give their rankings. It seems like a 180 would be pretty desirable, even with the resulting dip in their GPA median. Desirable enough to give someone a shot, anyway.
To scribelaw: my apologies for getting defensive, but no one likes being judged...regardless of the validity behind the judgement.
What's this about northwestern btw? They not give a shit about GPA?
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lol that 2.7 acceptance is encouragingkittenmittons wrote:http://northwestern.lawschoolnumbers.com/statsCMDantes wrote:I definitely agree with you on that. I shouldn't have said 'genius' in relation to a 180, I recognize it's mostly about luck at that point.Desert Fox wrote:
And the difference between a 175 and a 180 is having to take a piss during one 35 minute section.
Once you get past 173ish area the LSAT isn't about how smart you are, its about how detailed you can be under pressures, plus a large helping of luck.
I see your point about one year destroying your chances, but what the does LSAT have to do with it?
I brought up the LSAT mainly due to the extreme importance schools seem to give their rankings. It seems like a 180 would be pretty desirable, even with the resulting dip in their GPA median. Desirable enough to give someone a shot, anyway.
To scribelaw: my apologies for getting defensive, but no one likes being judged...regardless of the validity behind the judgement.
What's this about northwestern btw? They not give a shit about GPA?
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Meh, nothing wrong with wishful thinking while bored at work.aznflyingpanda wrote:Get your LSAT score first before you even start dreaming of these schools.
This is spot on. Similarly, and equally disheartening, law schools don't give a damn how you earned your GPA unless something really horrible happened to you. Learning about law school admissions has made me realize it's one of the least holistic processes imaginable. I lol every time a school claims to have "holistic" admissions. Even though I stand to gain a great deal from the system thinking about it(or more specifically why there isn't more being done to change it) makes my brain bleed.Desert Fox wrote:And the difference between a 175 and a 180 is having to take a piss during one 35 minute section.
Once you get past 173ish area the LSAT isn't about how smart you are, its about how detailed you can be under pressures, plus a large helping of luck.
I see your point about one year destroying your chances, but what the does LSAT have to do with it?
These top schools can find enough people who didn't screw up, and have a great LSAT to more than fill their classes. I can't hold it against them that they are choosy.CMDantes wrote:I definitely agree with you on that. I shouldn't have said 'genius' in relation to a 180, I recognize it's mostly about luck at that point.Desert Fox wrote:
And the difference between a 175 and a 180 is having to take a piss during one 35 minute section.
Once you get past 173ish area the LSAT isn't about how smart you are, its about how detailed you can be under pressures, plus a large helping of luck.
I see your point about one year destroying your chances, but what the does LSAT have to do with it?
I brought up the LSAT mainly due to the extreme importance schools seem to give their rankings. It seems like a 180 would be pretty desirable, even with the resulting dip in their GPA median. Desirable enough to give someone a shot, anyway.
To scribelaw: my apologies for getting defensive, but no one likes being judged...regardless of the validity behind the judgement. I know law schools admissions is all about that, but I'd rather leave it to them to assess my worthiness.
What's this about northwestern btw? They not give a shit about GPA?
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The rankings uses the median score. Even Yale has a 173 median. For rankings purposes, a 173 and a 180 are the same.I brought up the LSAT mainly due to the extreme importance schools seem to give their rankings. It seems like a 180 would be pretty desirable, even with the resulting dip in their GPA median. Desirable enough to give someone a shot, anyway.
Lawl @ UVA or Auschwitz-Chicago being T10aznflyingpanda wrote:Admissions aren't perfect, but the way they are now at least gives GPA fails like me and DF a chance to crack the t10.
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The real problem with law school admissions is that the background of the applicants vary to such a large degree, and because of that the admissions lack good criteria toKibblesAndVick wrote:This is spot on. Similarly, and equally disheartening, law schools don't give a damn how you earned your GPA unless something really horrible happened to you. Learning about law school admissions has made me realize it's one of the least holistic processes imaginable. I lol every time a school claims to have "holistic" admissions. Even though I stand to gain a great deal from the system thinking about it(or more specifically why there isn't more being done to change it) makes my brain bleed.Desert Fox wrote:And the difference between a 175 and a 180 is having to take a piss during one 35 minute section.
Once you get past 173ish area the LSAT isn't about how smart you are, its about how detailed you can be under pressures, plus a large helping of luck.
I see your point about one year destroying your chances, but what the does LSAT have to do with it?
Better than UT, amirite?kittenmittons wrote:Lawl @ UVA or Auschwitz-Chicago being T10aznflyingpanda wrote:Admissions aren't perfect, but the way they are now at least gives GPA fails like me and DF a chance to crack the t10.
How dare you disrespect the University of Tennessee, it's a venerable institution.aznflyingpanda wrote:Better than UT, amirite?kittenmittons wrote:Lawl @ UVA or Auschwitz-Chicago being T10aznflyingpanda wrote:Admissions aren't perfect, but the way they are now at least gives GPA fails like me and DF a chance to crack the t10.
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rayiner wrote:The rankings uses the median score. Even Yale has a 173 median. For rankings purposes, a 173 and a 180 are the same.I brought up the LSAT mainly due to the extreme importance schools seem to give their rankings. It seems like a 180 would be pretty desirable, even with the resulting dip in their GPA median. Desirable enough to give someone a shot, anyway.
I know of one sub-3.4 who got into a T6, and she had a 3.1/180, at a top grade-deflating university (U of Chicago), and got in off the waitlist.
You have no hope of T6 even with a 180.
You have a good shot at T7-14 if you can get a 172+ LSAT, though. If you rock a 172, I'd focus on MVPN.
I agree with you guys, I really do. I just feel that the entire process would be improved if they actually were a bit more holistic. Seems like the schools are potentially missing out on some truly great candidates because of their strict adherence to the numbers. I understand the necessity, though. I'll just have to keep busting my ass and distinguish myself in other ways once I'm in/done with law school.Desert Fox wrote:
The real problem with law school admissions is that the background of the applicants vary to such a large degree, and because of that the admissions lack good criteria to
judge applicants.
Take engineering grad school for example. They usually require very substantial coursework in the specific field of engineering. So you've got mostly BS in EE applying to PhD in EE programs. So they know your coursework and what your grades mean. They take into account the difficultly of your undergrad program. They know what sort of research is good. They know which company is good to work for.
The applicants are all directly comparable. But there is no prelaw coursework, and law schools prefer it that way. They want to be your entire law education. It is like you are applying to College 2.0. So they rely on GPA, and a standardized test.
Communicate now with those who not only know what a legal education is, but can offer you worthy advice and commentary as you complete the three most educational, yet challenging years of your law related post graduate life.
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