3.25 and t6, possible?

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3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby CMDantes » Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:39 pm

Started in effort not to hijack a similar thread.

With a 3.25 and great softs, what's the minimum LSAT score required to be competitive? Although not a URM by TLS (Grutter v Bollinger) standards, the ethnic value is still there (Cuban).

Is it impossible to consider acceptance to the t6? How about the t3?

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby nixxers » Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:44 pm

CMDantes wrote:Started in effort not to hijack a similar thread.

With a 3.25 and great softs, what's the minimum LSAT score required to be competitive? Although not a URM by TLS (Grutter v Bollinger) standards, the ethnic value is still there (Cuban).

Is it impossible to consider acceptance to the t6? How about the t3?


define "great softs"? I'd say HYS are probably out. Just looking on LSN, Columbia and Chicago are probably not gonna happen either...you might swing a WL at NYU if you score above a 172. :-/

http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com

(edited for typo)

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby 09042014 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:50 pm

Columbia, Chicago, Harvard, Yale and Stanford are out.

NYU is a long shot, but you need 172. EDing might help. It is still a long shot.

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby CMDantes » Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:50 pm

nixxers wrote:
define "great softs"?



Appreciate the response.

What I mean by 'great softs' = Substantial position at a legislative office (far above the standard internship) before UG graduation, resume filled with meaningful work experiences from age 16, solid P.S. (working through 2 different iterations, both pretty solid, deciding between risk factor), very strong upward trend and a GPA addendum pointing this out, solid diversity statement, volunteer work through extra-curriculars, leadership positions through extra-curriculars.

Pretty much the only bad thing about my application will be the horrendous GPA.

Edited to note that my applications will be submitted the morning applications open. Everything is ready. Not doing binding ED, unless a sure-thing, for financial reasons.

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby scribelaw » Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:02 pm

CMDantes wrote:
nixxers wrote:
define "great softs"?



Appreciate the response.

What I mean by 'great softs' = Substantial position at a legislative office (far above the standard internship) before UG graduation, resume filled with meaningful work experiences from age 16, solid P.S. (working through 2 different iterations, both pretty solid, deciding between risk factor), very strong upward trend and a GPA addendum pointing this out, solid diversity statement, volunteer work through extra-curriculars, leadership positions through extra-curriculars.

Pretty much the only bad thing about my application will be the horrendous GPA.

Edited to note that my applications will be submitted the morning applications open. Everything is ready. Not doing binding ED, unless a sure-thing, for financial reasons.


Those are average softs.

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby CMDantes » Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:10 pm

scribelaw wrote:
CMDantes wrote:
nixxers wrote:
define "great softs"?



Appreciate the response.

What I mean by 'great softs' = Substantial position at a legislative office (far above the standard internship) before UG graduation, resume filled with meaningful work experiences from age 16, solid P.S. (working through 2 different iterations, both pretty solid, deciding between risk factor), very strong upward trend and a GPA addendum pointing this out, solid diversity statement, volunteer work through extra-curriculars, leadership positions through extra-curriculars.

Pretty much the only bad thing about my application will be the horrendous GPA.

Edited to note that my applications will be submitted the morning applications open. Everything is ready. Not doing binding ED, unless a sure-thing, for financial reasons.


Those are average softs.


lol Alright, well replace the adjective 'great' with 'average' and answer the question asked.

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby Veyron » Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:13 pm

Know a guy who got chicago with similar gpa and a score > 175.
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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby KG_CalGuy » Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:24 pm

I wouldn't count on it but it's not ENTIRELY out of reach. Your odds will increase in proportion to your LSAT score. I'd say HYS are pretty much out of the picture. Columbia is also a large stretch just because they seem to be really "tight" with their numbers. NYU might be you're only hope so study for that LSAT

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby scribelaw » Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:35 pm

CMDantes wrote:
scribelaw wrote:
CMDantes wrote:
nixxers wrote:
define "great softs"?



Appreciate the response.

What I mean by 'great softs' = Substantial position at a legislative office (far above the standard internship) before UG graduation, resume filled with meaningful work experiences from age 16, solid P.S. (working through 2 different iterations, both pretty solid, deciding between risk factor), very strong upward trend and a GPA addendum pointing this out, solid diversity statement, volunteer work through extra-curriculars, leadership positions through extra-curriculars.

Pretty much the only bad thing about my application will be the horrendous GPA.

Edited to note that my applications will be submitted the morning applications open. Everything is ready. Not doing binding ED, unless a sure-thing, for financial reasons.


Those are average softs.


lol Alright, well replace the adjective 'great' with 'average' and answer the question asked.


I'd say if you score a 172+, you should ED at NYU and Chicago. That's your only shot at the T6, and I still don't see it happening.

Otherwise, with a 170 or higher, you have a shot at Michigan, Virginia ED, Penn and Cornell, as well as Northwestern if you wait a year after undergrad. With that LSAT score, you'd also get $$$ in the T20, WUSTL and probably BU.

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby CMDantes » Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:59 pm

scribelaw wrote:
I'd say if you score a 172+, you should ED at NYU and Chicago. That's your only shot at the T6, and I still don't see it happening.

Otherwise, with a 170 or higher, you have a shot at Michigan, Virginia ED, Penn and Cornell, as well as Northwestern if you wait a year after undergrad. With that LSAT score, you'd also get $$$ in the T20, WUSTL and probably BU.


Thank you for the thoughtful response, this seems to be the general consensus.

And yes, I'm busting my ass for that June LSAT. My target score is actually 172+ and my target school is T15*

Thanks for the responses everyone, good luck to all.

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby yeff » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:04 am

Get a 180 and remove all doubt. 8)

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby 09042014 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:32 am

yeff wrote:Get a 180 and remove all doubt. 8)


I bet 3.25/180 gets rejected at HYSCC, but probably in at NYU.

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby Veyron » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:35 am

Itt, insufferable Chicago trolling.

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby 09042014 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:36 am

Veyron wrote:Itt, insufferable Chicago trolling.


?

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby kittenmittons » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:38 am

Veyron wrote:Itt, insufferable Chicago trolling.

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby 09042014 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:41 am

kittenmittons wrote:
Veyron wrote:Itt, insufferable Chicago trolling.


KM did you get into Chicago, and if so are you going to ASW.

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby underachiever » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:42 am

Maybe...
176> and ED to the school of your choice (Chicago, NYU or Columbia) giver you a shot but not a good one

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby 09042014 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:43 am

underachiever wrote:Maybe...
176> and ED to [strike]the school of your choice (Chicago,[/strike] NYU [strike]or Columbia)[/strike] giver you a shot but not a good one

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby CMDantes » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:10 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
yeff wrote:Get a 180 and remove all doubt. 8)


I bet 3.25/180 gets rejected at HYSCC, but probably in at NYU.


Really? That's pretty crazy, even with an upward trend?

So basically even if you're a genius and 180 on the LSAT but have two semesters of shitty college grades you're fucked at the top five?

That's unfortunate. Do you have any evidence that substantiates that?

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby kittenmittons » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:12 pm

CMDantes wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
yeff wrote:Get a 180 and remove all doubt. 8)

I bet 3.25/180 gets rejected at HYSCC, but probably in at NYU.


Really? That's pretty crazy, even with an upward trend?

So basically even if you're a genius and 180 on the LSAT but have two semesters of shitty college grades you're fucked at the top five?

That's unfortunate. Do you have any evidence that substantiates that?

http://harvard.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats
http://yale.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats
http://stanford.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats
http://columbia.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats
http://chicago.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats
http://nyu.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats

hth

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby scribelaw » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:14 pm

CMDantes wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
yeff wrote:Get a 180 and remove all doubt. 8)


I bet 3.25/180 gets rejected at HYSCC, but probably in at NYU.


Really? That's pretty crazy, even with an upward trend?

So basically even if you're a genius and 180 on the LSAT but have two semesters of shitty college grades you're fucked at the top five?

That's unfortunate. Do you have any evidence that substantiates that?


A 3.25 is not good. Even if you do well on the LSAT, how do you justify believing you are a better candidate than someone who also did well on the LSAT but also paid attention during college and pulled a 3.8 or 3.9?

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby CMDantes » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:18 pm

scribelaw wrote:
CMDantes wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
yeff wrote:Get a 180 and remove all doubt. 8)


I bet 3.25/180 gets rejected at HYSCC, but probably in at NYU.


Really? That's pretty crazy, even with an upward trend?

So basically even if you're a genius and 180 on the LSAT but have two semesters of shitty college grades you're fucked at the top five?

That's unfortunate. Do you have any evidence that substantiates that?


A 3.25 is not good. Even if you do well on the LSAT, how do you justify believing you are a better candidate than someone who also did well on the LSAT but also paid attention during college and pulled a 3.8 or 3.9?


Doing poorly for two semesters as a result of extenuating life circumstances does not mean you didn't pay attention during college. Get off your high horse. Two semester is ONE of FOUR years in college. If the person scored a 3.9+ for the remaining THREE YEARS, would you say that they didn't pay attention during college?

Freshman year classes are bullshit anyway, did you gleam any valuable insights on the world or even your major during those first two semesters? Probably not.

Anyway, get off your high horse dude. I'm not asking for your opinions on the worthiness of law school candidates, but for the chances of admittance and then evidence substantiating a claim.

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby scribelaw » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:22 pm

I'm not on a high horse...I'm just saying, if you apply with a 172/3.25, you'll be competing for seats with people with a 172/3.8. There are only 2,500 or so seats at the top 6 schools and a lot more worthy candidates than that, and GPA is one of two objective criteria law schools can use.

If you have a truly extenuating circumstance and rock out the LSAT, maybe NYU will see that and let you in. I hope they do.

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby Fadedjoebreezy » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:25 pm

Not taking sides, but it does suck (I'm in a similar situation) where my GPA is lower than it should be due to 2 bad semesters of spanish (I took German in high school but wanted to learn a language I could use more). I got a C+ Spanish I and C in Spanish II. I attribute these scores mostly to the prof (both of which were replaced after teaching 1 class). It pretty much ruined my otherwise solid academic record. That is one of the few regrets in college that I have, but hey thats life...

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Re: 3.25 and t6, possible?

Postby 09042014 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:25 pm

CMDantes wrote:
scribelaw wrote:
CMDantes wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
I bet 3.25/180 gets rejected at HYSCC, but probably in at NYU.


Really? That's pretty crazy, even with an upward trend?

So basically even if you're a genius and 180 on the LSAT but have two semesters of shitty college grades you're fucked at the top five?

That's unfortunate. Do you have any evidence that substantiates that?


A 3.25 is not good. Even if you do well on the LSAT, how do you justify believing you are a better candidate than someone who also did well on the LSAT but also paid attention during college and pulled a 3.8 or 3.9?


Doing poorly for two semesters as a result of extenuating life circumstances does not mean you didn't pay attention during college. Get off your high horse. Two semester is ONE of FOUR years in college. If the person scored a 3.9+ for the remaining THREE YEARS, would you say that they didn't pay attention during college?

Freshman year classes are bullshit anyway, did you gleam any valuable insights on the world or even your major during those first two semesters? Probably not.

Anyway, get off your high horse dude. I'm not asking for your opinions on the worthiness of law school candidates, but for the chances of admittance and then evidence substantiating a claim.



And the difference between a 175 and a 180 is having to take a piss during one 35 minute section.

Once you get past 173ish area the LSAT isn't about how smart you are, its about how detailed you can be under pressures, plus a large helping of luck.

I see your point about one year destroying your chances, but what the does LSAT have to do with it?




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