Job offer - $10/hour for admitted Illinois attorney

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Job offer - $10/hour for admitted Illinois attorney

Postby jobless2Lguy » Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:14 pm

Hey guys,

Not sure if this is the right section of this forum, but check out this link on Tom the Temp's site. Apparently the market has gotten so bad that firms are paying $10 an hour for doc review, which is less than you could make working at a grocery store after a year.

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RESEARCH ATTORNEY (4105 W. 26th St.) Date: 2010-03-08, 9:11AM job-ff5pp-1633948536@craigslist.org

Illinois licensed attorney with exceptional research and legal drafting skills needed to support attorney work in several areas of law, including immigration, bankruptcy, mortgage foreclosure and loan modification, family, criminal, among others. The position is full time -- 9am to 6pm, Monday through Friday, and requires a natural talent for writing and research, an ability to produce exceptional work within a short amount of time, as numerous assignments will always be in the queue. This is a great intro position for someone who has this talent but minimal experience, and wants to learn a great deal quickly in many areas of law. The pay is non-negotiable $10/hour with a review in six months' time. Full benefits are provided after three month probation term is passed. This is the legal equivalent of the medical school graduate's residency experience.

• Location: 4105 W. 26th St.
• Compensation: $10/hour
• Principals only. Recruiters, please don't contact this job poster.
• Please, no phone calls about this job!
• Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests.

posted by helpme123 at 10:51 PM on Mar 10, 2010

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Re: Job offer - $10/hour for admitted Illinois attorney

Postby jobless2Lguy » Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:20 pm

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Re: Job offer - $10/hour for admitted Illinois attorney

Postby GeePee » Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:34 pm

And this is supposed to be news? This has been going on for about 18 months now.

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Re: Job offer - $10/hour for admitted Illinois attorney

Postby MTal » Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:42 pm

But...but...a law degree opens...doors......

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Re: Job offer - $10/hour for admitted Illinois attorney

Postby jobless2Lguy » Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:48 pm

GeePee wrote:And this is supposed to be news? This has been going on for about 18 months now.


I wasn't aware wages had gotten this low. Now that I am looking at doc review or low level insurance defense or immigration as a very real possibility, it hits a little closer to home.

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Re: Job offer - $10/hour for admitted Illinois attorney

Postby rando » Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:55 pm

I'm not even sure this is really that bad a sign. Sure the economy triggered a lot of this stuff. But paying associates $160k to do doc review is ridiculous. Firms have been outsourcing to India for a couple years. They pay something like $20/hr.

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Re: Job offer - $10/hour for admitted Illinois attorney

Postby somewhatwayward » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:01 pm

i like the line about how this is like a residency in medicine....is that supposed to make unemployed JDs feel better about the position? :roll:

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Re: Job offer - $10/hour for admitted Illinois attorney

Postby jobless2Lguy » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:02 pm

rando wrote:I'm not even sure this is really that bad a sign. Sure the economy triggered a lot of this stuff. But paying associates $160k to do doc review is ridiculous. Firms have been outsourcing to India for a couple years. They pay something like $20/hr.


I'm not criticizing the free market for appropriately valuing things. Obviously first years have no skills.

However, running up 100k+ plus debt doesn't make sense when you can just go apply at Walmart and make the same wage.

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Re: Job offer - $10/hour for admitted Illinois attorney

Postby rando » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:04 pm

jobless2Lguy wrote:
rando wrote:I'm not even sure this is really that bad a sign. Sure the economy triggered a lot of this stuff. But paying associates $160k to do doc review is ridiculous. Firms have been outsourcing to India for a couple years. They pay something like $20/hr.


I'm not criticizing the free market for appropriately valuing things. Obviously first years have no skills.

However, running up 100k+ plus debt doesn't make sense when you can just go apply at Walmart and make the same wage.


100% agreed. The law school/hiring model is messed up.

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Re: Job offer - $10/hour for admitted Illinois attorney

Postby ggocat » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:12 pm

You get what you pay for. If the firm wants to hire someone who will jump ship at the earliest opportunity, then $10 is fine. But I think any firm with business smarts would pay a decent wage if the firm actually wanted to cultivate a productive employee. (I don't claim to have business smarts, but I've heard some small firm managers discuss this issue; i.e., how much you should pay a new attorney. Low-paid attorneys jump ship, which ultimately costs the firm more money than paying a good wage.)

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Re: Job offer - $10/hour for admitted Illinois attorney

Postby rando » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:18 pm

ggocat wrote:You get what you pay for. If the firm wants to hire someone who will jump ship at the earliest opportunity, then $10 is fine. But I think any firm with business smarts would pay a decent wage if the firm actually wanted to cultivate a productive employee. (I don't claim to have business smarts, but I've heard some small firm managers discuss this issue; i.e., how much you should pay a new attorney. Low-paid attorneys jump ship, which ultimately costs the firm more money than paying a good wage.)


I think it depends on what you're looking for. If it is just a doc review laborer. I doubt it costs them more to just get another one down the ranks.

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Re: Job offer - $10/hour for admitted Illinois attorney

Postby r6_philly » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:02 pm

I get paid $12/hr working at my UG on campus.

If it is that bad maybe you would have a better time finding a suitable job with your BA. So maybe it is better afterall to get a practical UG degree? .

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Re: Job offer - $10/hour for admitted Illinois attorney

Postby soullesswonder » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:18 pm

I'm really getting tired of people highlighting these job postings. You can ask for anything you want, but that doesn't mean you'll land an employee. A similar posting was featured on ATL offering $12/hour and shortly thereafter the post was changed to ask respondents to "discuss their salary expectations", which would have been unnecessary if ppl really were leaping at the chance.

EDIT: this is in the wrong forum and it should really be in the bad economy sticky.

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Re: Job offer - $10/hour for admitted Illinois attorney

Postby JustDude » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:57 pm

soullesswonder wrote:I'm really getting tired of people highlighting these job postings. You can ask for anything you want, but that doesn't mean you'll land an employee. A similar posting was featured on ATL offering $12/hour and shortly thereafter the post was changed to ask respondents to "discuss their salary expectations", which would have been unnecessary if ppl really were leaping at the chance.

EDIT: this is in the wrong forum and it should really be in the bad economy sticky.


or maybe they were leaping too much at that chance




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