"Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby romothesavior » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:25 pm

I love that you changed the topic to include "WTF!?!?" Classic Peter North.

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby hiromoto45 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:32 pm

Peter North wrote:
romothesavior wrote:I love that you changed the topic to include "WTF!?!?" Classic Peter North.


LOL. :D

Kidding aside, I've read plenty of literature about 3 out of the 5 (HYC) schools listed in that Wiki link. To date, I haven't come across any official literature that refers to the schools as "Ivy League law schools".


What is the issue?

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby r6_philly » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:32 pm

Hey do not kill my prestige dream!

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby Unitas » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:33 pm

That wiki article is a joke.

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby cubswin » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:34 pm

Peter North wrote:
romothesavior wrote:I love that you changed the topic to include "WTF!?!?" Classic Peter North.


LOL. :D

Kidding aside, I've read plenty of literature about 3 out of the 5 (HYC) schools listed in that Wiki link. To date, I haven't come across any official literature that refers to the schools as "Ivy League law schools".


I'm not sure I understand your point. Harvard is the in Ivy League, and has a law school. Thus, it is an Ivy League Law School, much like UIUC is a Big Ten Law School.

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby chanchito » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:35 pm

Yeah for undergrad it may matter but for law school there are so many factors other than Ivy League status to take into account. Pretty funny. It looks like it did the research/ citation pretty well though. Someone has too much time haha

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby flyingpanda » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:36 pm

cubswin wrote:
Peter North wrote:
romothesavior wrote:I love that you changed the topic to include "WTF!?!?" Classic Peter North.


LOL. :D

Kidding aside, I've read plenty of literature about 3 out of the 5 (HYC) schools listed in that Wiki link. To date, I haven't come across any official literature that refers to the schools as "Ivy League law schools".


I'm not sure I understand your point. Harvard is the in Ivy League, and has a law school. Thus, it is an Ivy League Law School, much like UIUC is a Big Ten Law School.


It's dumb because it shouldn't be it's own article.

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby r6_philly » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:37 pm

cubswin wrote:
Peter North wrote:
romothesavior wrote:I love that you changed the topic to include "WTF!?!?" Classic Peter North.


LOL. :D

Kidding aside, I've read plenty of literature about 3 out of the 5 (HYC) schools listed in that Wiki link. To date, I haven't come across any official literature that refers to the schools as "Ivy League law schools".


I'm not sure I understand your point. Harvard is the in Ivy League, and has a law school. Thus, it is an Ivy League Law School, much like UIUC is a Big Ten Law School.


That would lump Michigan Law, Michigan State Law, Penn State Law in the same grouping...

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby r6_philly » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:39 pm

Nightrunner wrote:X is A; X is B ... X is A and B

is this shit really difficult?


That is logically false.

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Postby flawyer » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:41 pm

Stanford is a top 3 law school and a great undergrad. BUT, it's not in the Ivy League! Quick, somebody make a pointless thread about that!!!

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Postby cubswin » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:42 pm

r6_philly wrote:
cubswin wrote:
Peter North wrote:
romothesavior wrote:I love that you changed the topic to include "WTF!?!?" Classic Peter North.


LOL. :D

Kidding aside, I've read plenty of literature about 3 out of the 5 (HYC) schools listed in that Wiki link. To date, I haven't come across any official literature that refers to the schools as "Ivy League law schools".


I'm not sure I understand your point. Harvard is the in Ivy League, and has a law school. Thus, it is an Ivy League Law School, much like UIUC is a Big Ten Law School.


That would lump Michigan Law, Michigan State Law, Penn State Law in the same grouping...


Yes, the Big Ten athletic conference grouping, which tells us nothing about reputation. I'm not sure what is problematic with this.

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Postby r6_philly » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:42 pm

Nightrunner wrote:affective troll is affective :mrgreen:


That'd be twice affective :mrgreen:

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby romothesavior » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:44 pm

I'm confused by this thread. What is the point, PN?

Ivy League = sports conference.

I thought this had been beaten to death already?

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby romothesavior » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:46 pm

Peter North wrote:
flawyer wrote:Stanford is a top 3 law school and a great undergrad. BUT, it's not in the Ivy League! Quick, somebody make a pointless thread about that!!!


chanchito, Unitas, et al. have articulated by point rather well.

Classifying a law school as an "Ivy League" law school (by way of its connection to the university at large) is downright silly, laughable and futile.

HTH


Cornell is an Ivy League school. Princeton is an Ivy League school. Yale is an Ivy League school

None of those statements is false, yet none of those statements have any relation to the calibur of the law school (or lack thereof).

There is nothing wrong with that wiki article.

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Postby r6_philly » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:47 pm

Ivy League = Ivy League sports conference
Ivy League = best of the best
Ivy League = Ivy League sports conference AND best of the best

:mrgreen:

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby flawyer » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:49 pm

Peter North wrote:
flawyer wrote:Stanford is a top 3 law school and a great undergrad. BUT, it's not in the Ivy League! Quick, somebody make a pointless thread about that!!!


chanchito, Unitas, et al. have articulated by point rather well.

Classifying a law school as an "Ivy League" law school (by way of its connection to the university at large) is downright silly, laughable and futile.

HTH



The term Ivy League law school means that the school offers a JD and it competes in the Ivy League ATHLETIC CONFERENCE. You are assuming that the term Ivy League has non-athletic connotations.

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby flawyer » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:52 pm

flawyer wrote:
Peter North wrote:
flawyer wrote:Stanford is a top 3 law school and a great undergrad. BUT, it's not in the Ivy League! Quick, somebody make a pointless thread about that!!!


chanchito, Unitas, et al. have articulated by point rather well.

Classifying a law school as an "Ivy League" law school (by way of its connection to the university at large) is downright silly, laughable and futile.

HTH



The term Ivy League law school means that the school offers a JD and it competes in the Ivy League ATHLETIC CONFERENCE. You are assuming that the term Ivy League has non-athletic connotations.


Which is a pretty lay assumption. You are clearly not Ivy League material... jk PN i still love u

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby romothesavior » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:53 pm

r6_philly wrote:Ivy League = Ivy League sports conference
Ivy League = best of the best
Ivy League = Ivy League sports conference AND best of the best

:mrgreen:


Maybe to your typical lay person. I know most people were far more impressed to hear I was considering Cornell than Michigan, and were surprised when I informed them that Michigan was a much better school. I'm sure there are even some people who think Stanford is of a lower calibur than some of the ivies. But not many people in the legal profession are going to say Cornell is the "best of the best." Great school, yes, but not on par with Harvard and Yale.

The reason the Ivy League schools get so much respect is because they are (for the most part) among the oldest institutions in the country, they all have great undergrad programs and they usually have sizeable endowments.

Still confused what the point of this thread is...

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby underachiever » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:55 pm

Peter North wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League_law_schools

This is a joke, right? :?


nah, I go to one. Its pretty real....

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby romothesavior » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:57 pm

Peter North wrote:
flawyer wrote: jk PN i still love u


The love is reciprocated. :oops: :wink:

Seriously, though, come on guys.

What if you're at a bar, and you chit-chat with person X. S/he says, "I go to an Ivy Law School".

How would you guys react? :lol:


I mean, even Cornell is an impressive law school. Aside from thinking the person was a d-bag for making such a pretentious comment, I'd probably have a great deal of respect for the person. But I would still recognize the huge difference between Yale and Cornell.

Come on. Let the Cornell kids have their fun with the lay prestige. How else are they gonna pick up chicks at the bar? :D

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby redsox » Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:00 pm

romothesavior wrote:I'm sure there are even some people who think Stanford is of a lower calibur than some of the ivies.


If you consider Harvard and Yale "some of the ivies"...

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Postby romothesavior » Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:07 pm

Peter North wrote:
romothesavior wrote:The reason the Ivy League schools get so much respect is because they are (for the most part) among the oldest institutions in the country, they all have great undergrad programs and they usually have sizeable endowments.


Exactly. To an extent, that's really my point. :? Why does it have to apply to law schools? And why don't any of the law schools' official literature allude to this so called "Ivy" stature? :?

If public reputation at large is enough to attract large endowments $$$, then clearly schools like Chicago, NYU, Stanford, etc. would be the "Ivy's" of the law schools realm.


I think what you're really getting at in this thread is the irrationality of people lumping the Ivy schools together. Sure, I grant you that when people hear Ivy League they instantly think "prestigious," and quite honestly, I can't blame them for doing so. I also agree strongly that people are pretty dumb when it comes to recognizing certain schools as prestigious. I am from Illinois and I can't tell you how many people conflate University of Chicago with the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC).

A lot of it also has to do with region. In my area, WUSTL has a TON of respect (probably even more than it is due, and I do love WUSTL). In the south, Vanderbilt gets a bit of an irrational prestige bump among the lay community. Conversely, many people who are not familiar with a school don't really understand how good the school really is. Like I said, many friends of mine were surprised that Michigan was a T10, and probably also would be surprised at how high Virginia is.

Not everyone lives and breathes US News Report rankings like we do. :D TLS is just an odd breed.

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby Unemployed » Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:08 pm

Peter North wrote:
flawyer wrote: jk PN i still love u


The love is reciprocated. :oops: :wink:

Seriously, though, come on guys.

What if you're at a bar, and you chit-chat with person X. S/he says, "I go to an Ivy Law School".

How would you guys react? :lol:


I would assume Cornell or Penn... Maybe even Columbia.

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby r6_philly » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:07 pm

Peter North wrote:
flawyer wrote: jk PN i still love u


The love is reciprocated. :oops: :wink:

Seriously, though, come on guys.

What if you're at a bar, and you chit-chat with person X. S/he says, "I go to an Ivy Law School".

How would you guys react? :lol:


I would be most impressed to meet a Princeton Law alumna.

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Re: "Ivy League" law schools? WTF?!?!

Postby annapavlova » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:09 pm

Yeah...I can't believe how stupid that WIKIPEDIA article is....




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