Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

(Applications Advice, Letters of Recommendation . . . )
User avatar
crackberry
Posts: 3252
Joined: Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:23 pm

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby crackberry » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:36 pm

cavebat2000 wrote:
poo wrote:Is 166 correct? Or could UVA Ed/ Georgetown part time put the lsat even lower (and of course assuming the rest of the application is solid)?


Don't get too high of an LSAT score or a bunch of schools will waitlist you. It's the giant donut hole of law school applications.

Blatant pro-health care reform trolling.

User avatar
booboo
Posts: 1032
Joined: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:39 pm

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby booboo » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:52 pm

Quickly read through this.

With a 3.95 GPA, your goal should not be lowest LSAT possible for T14.

Fix these ambitions.

poo
Posts: 90
Joined: Wed May 13, 2009 3:12 am

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby poo » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:12 pm

booboo wrote:Quickly read through this.

With a 3.95 GPA, your goal should not be lowest LSAT possible for T14.

Fix these ambitions.


Actually, you are 100% right. If I get a 170 to go with my 3.95, I will have some pretty nice options.

sumus romani
Posts: 565
Joined: Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby sumus romani » Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:35 pm

poo wrote:
booboo wrote:Quickly read through this.

With a 3.95 GPA, your goal should not be lowest LSAT possible for T14.

Fix these ambitions.


Actually, you are 100% right. If I get a 170 to go with my 3.95, I will have some pretty nice options.



Sorry to be harsh, but you didn't learn the intended lesson, I believe. If you have a 180 to go with your 3.95, then you will have some great options. Good luck.

User avatar
JustDude
Posts: 354
Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:07 pm

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby JustDude » Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:45 pm

poo wrote:
BigA wrote:forgetting about Berkeley?

Yeah and they are one of my top choices too.... Is it true they favor GPA over the lsat?


I know a guy (white) personally. He got in with 152


3.95 (especially from private school) and 163 will get you in.


Cal state degree might not work though.

poo
Posts: 90
Joined: Wed May 13, 2009 3:12 am

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby poo » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:13 pm

JustDude wrote:
poo wrote:
BigA wrote:forgetting about Berkeley?

Yeah and they are one of my top choices too.... Is it true they favor GPA over the lsat?


I know a guy (white) personally. He got in with 152


3.95 (especially from private school) and 163 will get you in.


Cal state degree might not work though.



I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly... you're saying a 3.95/ 163 has a good shot at Cal (as a white dude)?
Last edited by poo on Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
crackberry
Posts: 3252
Joined: Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:23 pm

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby crackberry » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:14 pm

poo wrote:
JustDude wrote:
poo wrote:
BigA wrote:forgetting about Berkeley?

Yeah and they are one of my top choices too.... Is it true they favor GPA over the lsat?


I know a guy (white) personally. He got in with 152

3.95 (especially from private school) and 163 will get you in.

Cal state degree might not work though.


I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly... you're saying a 3.95/ 163 is an admit to Cal?

Don't treat that as gospel.

Those numbers could get in, but by no means do the represent an admit.

lawyering
Posts: 253
Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:27 am

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby lawyering » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:18 pm

crackberry wrote:
Oblomov wrote:
crackberry wrote:To be clear, I'm not arguing that a poor UG hurts an applicant; I'm arguing that a prestigious UG helps an applicant. I don't think a 175, 3.9 from a poor UG is screwed, but I think if we're talking about HYSChicago in particular, the 172, 3.9 from HYPS UG wins out over the 172, 3.9 from Nothing State every single time (excepting URM).


I don't think anyone argues that. The question is, what it HYPS only had a 170?

That's a different argument. If we agree that 172, 3.9 HYPS beats 172, 3.9 Nothing State, though, that means UG prestige means something, no?

For the record, I think 170, 3.9 HYPS with a solid app is probably about = to 172, 3.9 Nothing State.


hell, i'm 170, 3.9x, non-URM, non-HYP(S-for crack), and i got into all of the T8. :D take that, UG prestige!!

User avatar
tomhobbes
Posts: 455
Joined: Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:20 pm

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby tomhobbes » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:31 pm

lawyering wrote:
crackberry wrote:
Oblomov wrote:
crackberry wrote:To be clear, I'm not arguing that a poor UG hurts an applicant; I'm arguing that a prestigious UG helps an applicant. I don't think a 175, 3.9 from a poor UG is screwed, but I think if we're talking about HYSChicago in particular, the 172, 3.9 from HYPS UG wins out over the 172, 3.9 from Nothing State every single time (excepting URM).


I don't think anyone argues that. The question is, what it HYPS only had a 170?

That's a different argument. If we agree that 172, 3.9 HYPS beats 172, 3.9 Nothing State, though, that means UG prestige means something, no?

For the record, I think 170, 3.9 HYPS with a solid app is probably about = to 172, 3.9 Nothing State.


hell, i'm 170, 3.9x, non-URM, non-HYP(S-for crack), and i got into all of the T8. :D take that, UG prestige!!


Oh come on, top 25 isn't bad. UCLA?

Lagunitan
Posts: 58
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:12 pm

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby Lagunitan » Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:39 pm

Re: the discussion of the weight given to UG institutions - one small piece of evidence that speaks to this is this document: http://www.stanford.edu/group/SPLS/docu ... sMay08.pdf

It's a chart of the numbers for Stanford UG students who matriculated to law school. Unfortunately it's a couple years old, but the general point stands. If you peruse the numbers for different schools, you'll see that the median GPAs for matriculating students are lower than the overall medians for the law schools they attend. (E.g., the median GPA for Stanford UG kids going to HLS is 3.76, 3.84 for YLS, and 3.83 for SLS - numbers that are closer to those schools' 25th percentile numbers than to their medians). The differences are less pronounced (if evident at all) for LSAT scores, which makes sense - going to a harder UG should mean that, for two equally "smart" students, the one going to the harder UG would have a lower GPA, but an equivalent LSAT.

Anyone have comparable data for HYP? My guess is the bump is the same, if not greater.

Edit: just noticed that the GPA numbers on that chart are means, not medians, which skews the data somewhat (I'm not sure in which direction, but probably down).

User avatar
quickquestionthanks
Posts: 629
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:30 pm

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby quickquestionthanks » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:17 pm

lawyering wrote:
crackberry wrote:
Oblomov wrote:
crackberry wrote:To be clear, I'm not arguing that a poor UG hurts an applicant; I'm arguing that a prestigious UG helps an applicant. I don't think a 175, 3.9 from a poor UG is screwed, but I think if we're talking about HYSChicago in particular, the 172, 3.9 from HYPS UG wins out over the 172, 3.9 from Nothing State every single time (excepting URM).


I don't think anyone argues that. The question is, what it HYPS only had a 170?

That's a different argument. If we agree that 172, 3.9 HYPS beats 172, 3.9 Nothing State, though, that means UG prestige means something, no?

For the record, I think 170, 3.9 HYPS with a solid app is probably about = to 172, 3.9 Nothing State.


hell, i'm 170, 3.9x, non-URM, non-HYP(S-for crack), and i got into all of the T8. :D take that, UG prestige!!


High GPA + High LSAT, and UG prestige doesn't matter. But mediocre LSAT + high GPA and the prestige does matter.

So if you have a 3.95+ at one of the 10-15 most selective schools in the country, you don't need to have a 170 to get in. You just need low 160s to show your brain works decently. You've already shown you can hang with the best of 'em in an academic setting.

ughOSU
Posts: 444
Joined: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:42 pm

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby ughOSU » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:29 pm

Anecdotal, but a friend of mine had a 3.96 with a 165 and decent softs and got completely shut out of T14.

Neelio
Posts: 530
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:21 am

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby Neelio » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:31 pm

165-167

ppa840
Posts: 109
Joined: Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:51 pm

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby ppa840 » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:41 pm

BigA wrote:forgetting about Berkeley?


Berkeley is a crapshoot even with that gpa. As aforementioned, there is no set LSAT minimum, but a 166 with an ED may do the trick.

ughOSU
Posts: 444
Joined: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:42 pm

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby ughOSU » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:55 pm

poo wrote:
booboo wrote:Quickly read through this.

With a 3.95 GPA, your goal should not be lowest LSAT possible for T14.

Fix these ambitions.


Actually, you are 100% right. If I get a 170 to go with my 3.95, I will have some pretty nice options.

TCR is everyone should always aim for a 170+ no matter what their GPA is. If you check out LSP, you're right, 170/3.95 will really help take you places.

User avatar
quickquestionthanks
Posts: 629
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:30 pm

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby quickquestionthanks » Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:04 pm

ughOSU wrote:Anecdotal, but a friend of mine had a 3.96 with a 165 and decent softs and got completely shut out of T14.


What type of UG and major?

User avatar
Tangerine Gleam
Posts: 1349
Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:50 pm

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby Tangerine Gleam » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:41 pm

crackberry wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:
poo wrote:
blsingindisguise wrote:3.95 from what kind of school?

One you've probbaly never heard of... will that screw me?

Totally doesn't matter (unless maybe if it's like University of Phoenix Online or something, in which case a few schools might blink, but even then probably not).

I realize we could debate this all day, but I'm popping in to say the underlined just isn't true. I'm sorry. It's a myth that TLS likes to promote, but UG prestige definitely matters to a certain extent at the very top schools. There is no question about it.


+1. I am convinced of the same. I think my UG, which does not inflate grades, absolutely had a positive effect on my cycle -- several schools mentioned it specifically, and not just in passing. I think it's part of why I did better than LSN would predict I would with my numbers.

ughOSU
Posts: 444
Joined: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:42 pm

Re: Lowest lsat for t-14 with a 3.95?

Postby ughOSU » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:49 pm

quickquestionthanks wrote:
ughOSU wrote:Anecdotal, but a friend of mine had a 3.96 with a 165 and decent softs and got completely shut out of T14.


What type of UG and major?

T30ish liberal arts school and a government major (lol). I don't think she took a single science class in college. She re-took at 170+ and (needless to say) got into some good schools.




Return to “Law School Admissions Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Yahoo [Bot] and 1 guest