167/3.6 where can i go?

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logicman86
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167/3.6 where can i go?

Postby logicman86 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:50 pm

hey i got a 167 on my lsat (first time taking it), have a 3.6 gpa and do qualify as a minority. where can i go?

i am also a teacher for kaplan so i know i can do better... i was getting 175's, but the stress of actually taking it when it counts likely dropped me 5 questions. is top 10 likely or would you all advice me to take it again?

the lsat is a boat load of stress so i would obviously prefer not to retake it, but if it's the diff between a couple tiers, i will.

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Re: 167/3.6 where can i go?

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Re: 167/3.6 where can i go?

Postby dlaf88 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:04 pm

Hey Logicman, I am in almost the same situation(168/4.0). Based on Law school predictor with your stats even if you are a URM( African American,Native American,Mexican-American,or Puerto Rican) you do not have a high chance at T-10. Like yourself I was also scoring in the 175's. I have decided to retake the exam in June hopefully to score higher,if T-10 is your goal you should consider doing the same . Best of Luck.

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Re: 167/3.6 where can i go?

Postby logicman86 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:21 pm

dlaf88 wrote:Hey Logicman, I am in almost the same situation(168/4.0). Based on Law school predictor with your stats even if you are a URM( African American,Native American,Mexican-American,or Puerto Rican) you do not have a high chance at T-10. Like yourself I was also scoring in the 175's. I have decided to retake the exam in June hopefully to score higher,if T-10 is your goal you should consider doing the same . Best of Luck.


Honestly, I just want to secure a good job.

Also, as a psych minor, I do know that there is a large correlation between happiness and academic performance. I want to be in a city that won't depress me. As long as there are a few bars within walking distance, a somewhat big city in driving distance and a large population of cool kids (i.e. not ultra competitive nerds), I'll do well.

Harvard and Yale aren't happening. Columbia would be the best school I have a realistic shot in, but if I can get the same job coming out of Fordham, I'd go there.

I'm actually more curious about my shot at Texas and USC.

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Re: 167/3.6 where can i go?

Postby hopefullaw27 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:27 pm

logicman86 wrote:
dlaf88 wrote:Hey Logicman, I am in almost the same situation(168/4.0). Based on Law school predictor with your stats even if you are a URM( African American,Native American,Mexican-American,or Puerto Rican) you do not have a high chance at T-10. Like yourself I was also scoring in the 175's. I have decided to retake the exam in June hopefully to score higher,if T-10 is your goal you should consider doing the same . Best of Luck.


Honestly, I just want to secure a good job.

Also, as a psych minor, I do know that there is a large correlation between happiness and academic performance. I want to be in a city that won't depress me. As long as there are a few bars within walking distance, a somewhat big city in driving distance and a large population of cool kids (i.e. not ultra competitive nerds), I'll do well.

Harvard and Yale aren't happening. Columbia would be the best school I have a realistic shot in, but if I can get the same job coming out of Fordham, I'd go there.

I'm actually more curious about my shot at Texas and USC.


retake. i got a 172 and am regretting not retaking. two considerations. 1. you will be more competitive for the t10. 2. scholarships! so even if youw ant to end up in texas and/or usc, having a 170+ will bump up your chance of getting a great scholarship.

if you don't care about your school, retake for the second reason. you have nothing to lose since you were pting so high

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Re: 167/3.6 where can i go?

Postby logicman86 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:04 pm

Here's what I don't get. The difference between a 167 and 172 is literally 5 questions. That's 1 each section practically.

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Re: 167/3.6 where can i go?

Postby hopefullaw27 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:32 pm

logicman86 wrote:Here's what I don't get. The difference between a 167 and 172 is literally 5 questions. That's 1 each section practically.


It's all about us news rankings. i got a 172 and to get a 174 all i needed was one more question right (they eliminated 173 due to the curve). the 174 may have bumped me over the edge in getting into columbia...fair? eh...

at the same time if 167 to 172, in your mind, is only 5 questions, then you should be able to get 5 more questions right, which will ultimately drastically affect your admission's cycle.

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Re: 167/3.6 where can i go?

Postby hsprophet » Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:46 am

logicman86 wrote:hey i got a 167 on my lsat (first time taking it), have a 3.6 gpa and do qualify as a minority. where can i go?


There's probably 100+ law schools that will accept you. Too many to list.

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Re: 167/3.6 where can i go?

Postby isaiah6v8 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:13 am

If you are from Texas, I would say UT is a pretty good chance, if not, I don't really know how much that changes the situation, but it may. I am with you on the curve and how frustrating it can be, basically, some of the people who scored in the 5% above me got lucky and guessed a few answers correctly, and a some of the people were more skilled, but when you are talking about 5%, you gotta question what the real differences are between those above and those at the 95%. I think if it weren't for the USNEWS rankings schools would look more at softs as soon as someone hit the 90% mark. But then again, as a teacher, I know you have to be able to differentiate somehow, and the test works as well as any.

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Re: 167/3.6 where can i go?

Postby de5igual » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:34 am

logicman86 wrote:hey i got a 167 on my lsat (first time taking it), have a 3.6 gpa and do qualify as a minority. where can i go?

i am also a teacher for kaplan so i know i can do better... i was getting 175's, but the stress of actually taking it when it counts likely dropped me 5 questions. is top 10 likely or would you all advice me to take it again?

the lsat is a boat load of stress so i would obviously prefer not to retake it, but if it's the diff between a couple tiers, i will.


what kind of minority? if URM, then T10 is almost guaranteed; if not, then you're looking at the lower end of T20 seeing how this cycle is playing out. I applied last cycle with similar numbers, and got 48K from USC and 26K from UT, fwiw.

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Re: 167/3.6 where can i go?

Postby TTH » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:36 am

Yeah, if URM, you're going to have a really nice cycle. If not URM, you'll still be in at the T25 with a little money.

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Re: 167/3.6 where can i go?

Postby kswiss » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:10 pm

hsprophet wrote:
logicman86 wrote:hey i got a 167 on my lsat (first time taking it), have a 3.6 gpa and do qualify as a minority. where can i go?


There's probably 100+ law schools that will accept you. Too many to list.


I'm saying 180+. There are very few schools that wouldn't accept you.

That said, if you can get over 170 on a retake, you will be in position to make a break at the top 10 or even top 5, and if you aren't applying for 2010, you really have nothing to lose. If you know you can do better and don't, you are practically throwing away money. It could mean the difference between half and full scholarship to USC and UT.

edit for vicious typo

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Re: 167/3.6 where can i go?

Postby logicman86 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:17 pm

f0bolous wrote:
logicman86 wrote:hey i got a 167 on my lsat (first time taking it), have a 3.6 gpa and do qualify as a minority. where can i go?

i am also a teacher for kaplan so i know i can do better... i was getting 175's, but the stress of actually taking it when it counts likely dropped me 5 questions. is top 10 likely or would you all advice me to take it again?

the lsat is a boat load of stress so i would obviously prefer not to retake it, but if it's the diff between a couple tiers, i will.


what kind of minority? if URM, then T10 is almost guaranteed; if not, then you're looking at the lower end of T20 seeing how this cycle is playing out. I applied last cycle with similar numbers, and got 48K from USC and 26K from UT, fwiw.


I qualify as URM under hispanic on one side, but I'd rather not use it because in my opinion it is a cop-out. My gene pool was in a hispanic country for one generation to escape the Nazis... this was not the reason why URM was put into place. That said, I do come from a pretty poor family so I don't know.

But a previous poster made a great argument. Why not just retake if I can get $ out of it, and know I won't go down. I'm going to heed to that argument, and retake in October. I know that psychologically I won't be as nervous, because the worst case scenario acceptance wise is not too shabby.

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Re: 167/3.6 where can i go?

Postby DoktorZaius » Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:58 pm

logicman86 wrote:I qualify as URM under hispanic on one side, but I'd rather not use it because in my opinion it is a cop-out. My gene pool was in a hispanic country for one generation to escape the Nazis... this was not the reason why URM was put into place. That said, I do come from a pretty poor family so I don't know.

I want to write the screenplay about this.

But on a serious note, your ethics are admirable. Your plan to retake the LSAT for next cycle seems like a good one...but if I were you I'd try to shoot for a June administration so I could have the score back well before next cycle begins. If you can have all your stuff together, go ahead and app as early as possible next cycle so you can hear back sooner & hopefully get more/better $$ offers. GL.

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Re: 167/3.6 where can i go?

Postby logicman86 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:32 pm

DoktorZaius wrote:
logicman86 wrote:I qualify as URM under hispanic on one side, but I'd rather not use it because in my opinion it is a cop-out. My gene pool was in a hispanic country for one generation to escape the Nazis... this was not the reason why URM was put into place. That said, I do come from a pretty poor family so I don't know.

I want to write the screenplay about this.

But on a serious note, your ethics are admirable. Your plan to retake the LSAT for next cycle seems like a good one...but if I were you I'd try to shoot for a June administration so I could have the score back well before next cycle begins. If you can have all your stuff together, go ahead and app as early as possible next cycle so you can hear back sooner & hopefully get more/better $$ offers. GL.


This is actually a pretty standard story in the Jewish gene pool. Many Jews moved to hispanic countries, and later came to America.




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