Top Law Schools

phoenix323 wrote:

Kakarot wrote:

ValiantVic wrote:From what I heard from the Dean at NU the LSAT has a good correlation with one's success in the first semester of law school, that's it. It can't even be projected to one's law school career and of course obviously wouldn't have any bearing on one's career as an attorney.

That isn't the entire part of it. The LSAT has the best correlation of any available test with one's success in the first semester of law school. The best correlation of success as a law student over the three years is success in the first semester of law school.

Just curious, what other tests are there?

hotdoglaw wrote:
If the LSAT correlates to the success an applicant will have in law school and, as can be seen by looking at nearly any chart on LSN, URMs are often admitted with a far lower LSAT score than other applicants, does this not result in URMs being placed in an environment where they will have a lot of difficulty succeeding and be seriously disadvantaged?


wow you fail at being subtle

TigerBeer wrote:

hotdoglaw wrote:If the LSAT correlates to the success an applicant will have in law school and, as can be seen by looking at nearly any chart on LSN, URMs are often admitted with a far lower LSAT score than other applicants, does this not result in URMs being placed in an environment where they will have a lot of difficulty succeeding and be seriously disadvantaged?

wow you fail at being subtle

MTal wrote:Anyone supporting AA is a moral and intellectual degenerate. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

MTal wrote:Anyone supporting AA is a moral and intellectual degenerate. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

hotdoglaw wrote:If the LSAT correlates to the success an applicant will have in law school and, as can be seen by looking at nearly any chart on LSN, URMs are often admitted with a far lower LSAT score than other applicants, does this not result in URMs being placed in an environment where they will have a lot of difficulty succeeding and be seriously disadvantaged?

MURPH wrote:

Desert Fox wrote: --LinkRemoved--

Page 61 is where the results are found. While it shocking that 51% of black law students end up in the bottom 10%, it is what the LSAT predicts will happen.

Desert Fox,
On page 65 it shows that blacks are in the bottom decile less frequently at other schools (pg 61 is elite schools only). I suppose that the 14% in the bottom decile at historically minority colleges is because those colleges still attract mostly minorities.
I was pretty shocked at his conclusion "Perhaps most remarkably, a strong case can be made that in the legal education system as a whole, racial preferences end up producing fewer black lawyers each year than would be produced by a race-blind system.8 Affirmative action as currently practiced by the nation’s law schools does not, therefore, pass even the easiest test one can set. In systemic, objective terms, it hurts the group it is most designed to help."

I had heard that argument before but I never saw any data to back it up.

vanwinkle wrote: AAs at top law schools would often end up with worse grades than whites, but have...little discernable difference in real-world capability post-graduation.

T14_Scholly wrote:

vanwinkle wrote: AAs at top law schools would often end up with worse grades than whites, but have...little discernable difference in real-world capability post-graduation.

I'll take your word for it.

MTal wrote:Anyone supporting AA is a moral and intellectual degenerate. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Kohinoor wrote:

MURPH wrote:

Desert Fox wrote: --LinkRemoved--

Page 61 is where the results are found. While it shocking that 51% of black law students end up in the bottom 10%, it is what the LSAT predicts will happen.

Desert Fox,
On page 65 it shows that blacks are in the bottom decile less frequently at other schools (pg 61 is elite schools only). I suppose that the 14% in the bottom decile at historically minority colleges is because those colleges still attract mostly minorities.
I was pretty shocked at his conclusion "Perhaps most remarkably, a strong case can be made that in the legal education system as a whole, racial preferences end up producing fewer black lawyers each year than would be produced by a race-blind system.8 Affirmative action as currently practiced by the nation’s law schools does not, therefore, pass even the easiest test one can set. In systemic, objective terms, it hurts the group it is most designed to help."

I had heard that argument before but I never saw any data to back it up.

Take a look at the critiques of his argument. I believe that they take issue with that conclusion.

AppsAbound wrote:

MTal wrote:Anyone supporting AA is a moral and intellectual degenerate. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

I am fairly certain that every top law school has some policy in place to ensure that they maintain a certain level of racial and ethnic diversity. I suppose that means that you would refuse to attend any of those institutions as a matter or principle. It's a shame, they could really benefit from enlightened views such as your own....

MTal wrote:Anyone supporting AA is a moral and intellectual degenerate. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Negrodamus wrote:

MTal wrote:Anyone supporting AA is a moral and intellectual degenerate. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Thats pretty rich coming from the guy who didnt have the intellect to hack it in law school and quit, and who is also know for being a bigot and trolling URM threads. Please, take the opportunity to GTFO and take your trolling elsewhere.

MURPH wrote:

Kohinoor wrote:

MURPH wrote:

Desert Fox wrote: --LinkRemoved--

Page 61 is where the results are found. While it shocking that 51% of black law students end up in the bottom 10%, it is what the LSAT predicts will happen.

Desert Fox,
On page 65 it shows that blacks are in the bottom decile less frequently at other schools (pg 61 is elite schools only). I suppose that the 14% in the bottom decile at historically minority colleges is because those colleges still attract mostly minorities.
I was pretty shocked at his conclusion "Perhaps most remarkably, a strong case can be made that in the legal education system as a whole, racial preferences end up producing fewer black lawyers each year than would be produced by a race-blind system.8 Affirmative action as currently practiced by the nation’s law schools does not, therefore, pass even the easiest test one can set. In systemic, objective terms, it hurts the group it is most designed to help."

I had heard that argument before but I never saw any data to back it up.

Take a look at the critiques of his argument. I believe that they take issue with that conclusion.

Do you have a link to the critiques?

Our own conclusion is that if affirmative action in admissions were eliminated, there would probably be a 25 to 30 percent decline in the numbers of African Americans entering the bar, not the rosy 8.8 percent improvement that he forecasts.

eudaimondaimon wrote:

AppsAbound wrote:

MTal wrote:Anyone supporting AA is a moral and intellectual degenerate. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

I am fairly certain that every top law school has some policy in place to ensure that they maintain a certain level of racial and ethnic diversity. I suppose that means that you would refuse to attend any of those institutions as a matter or principle. It's a shame, they could really benefit from enlightened views such as your own....

You're assuming that by AA he meant Affirmative Action. He could have just as easily been taking a cheap shot at you, AppsAbound.

/Also, don't feed the troll

JustDude wrote:

eudaimondaimon wrote:

AppsAbound wrote:

MTal wrote:Anyone supporting AA is a moral and intellectual degenerate. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

I am fairly certain that every top law school has some policy in place to ensure that they maintain a certain level of racial and ethnic diversity. I suppose that means that you would refuse to attend any of those institutions as a matter or principle. It's a shame, they could really benefit from enlightened views such as your own....

You're assuming that by AA he meant Affirmative Action. He could have just as easily been taking a cheap shot at you, AppsAbound.

/Also, don't feed the troll

He was taking shot on Anonimous Alcoholics

T14_Scholly wrote:
Learn to spell dude.

imisscollege wrote:I am tired of the kenyans/ethopians always winning the marathon. they have an unfair advantage in that their cultures, historically, have always valued endurance running more than americans have. in light if this, i think that we should give the americans in the marathon a twenty minute head start this year. that seems to make sense.

imisscollege wrote:I am tired of the kenyans/ethopians always winning the marathon. they have an unfair advantage in that their cultures, historically, have always valued endurance running more than americans have. in light if this, i think that we should give the americans in the marathon a twenty minute head start this year. that seems to make sense.

Kohinoor wrote:

imisscollege wrote:I am tired of the kenyans/ethopians always winning the marathon. they have an unfair advantage in that their cultures, historically, have always valued endurance running more than americans have. in light if this, i think that we should give the americans in the marathon a twenty minute head start this year. that seems to make sense.

Hey, this is kind of like the affirmative action debate but retarded!