Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

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Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby reasonabledoubt » Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:21 pm

In a dual effort to establish a more complete library of info relating to schools as well as expose a few "sleepers" in the accredited LS mix, I introduce this thread.

This is for chatting about those schools which no one seems to chat about here.....

Surely there's some good ones out there that don't get the TLS press coverage they deserve.... maybe there's a few T3's (or, gasp, TTTT's) that someone had a friend or family member who had gone there and they have great information on. Maybe you grew up around XXX school that's a T3 but enjoys a remarkable level of prestige and placement in a 30 square mile radius of wherever, USA. Believe it or not, this kind of stuff appeals to some people.

I'll start: Valparaiso U. Yes, a T-4, but it's about an hour out of Chicago and has some pretty impressive faculty. As an aside, G-dubya Bush spoke at the school's anniversay a few years ago. They were once called, "the poor man's harvard," but not sure if that's a relatively good or bad thing. In any case, I've had a few friends go to this school (as well as some of their parents) and they're all doing remarkably well. It seems to place well in NWI region as well as Chicago. Who else has some hidden gems to speak of?

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby D. H2Oman » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:01 pm

reasonabledoubt wrote:[strike]In a dual effort to establish a more complete library of info relating to schools as well as expose a few "sleepers" in the accredited LS mix, I introduce this thread.

This is for chatting about those schools which no one seems to chat about here.....

Surely there's some good ones out there that don't get the TLS press coverage they deserve.... maybe there's a few T3's (or, gasp, TTTT's) that someone had a friend or family member who had gone there and they have great information on. Maybe you grew up around XXX school that's a T3 but enjoys a remarkable level of prestige and placement in a 30 square mile radius of wherever, USA. Believe it or not, this kind of stuff appeals to some people.

I'll start: Valparaiso U. Yes, a T-4, but it's about an hour out of Chicago and has some pretty impressive faculty. As an aside, G-dubya Bush spoke at the school's anniversay a few years ago. They were once called, "the poor man's harvard," but not sure if that's a relatively good or bad thing. In any case, I've had a few friends go to this school (as well as some of their parents) and they're all doing remarkably well. It seems to place well in NWI region as well as Chicago. Who else has some hidden gems to speak of[/strike]?


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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby nycparalegal » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:05 pm

Wasn't CUNY the "poor man's Harvard"?

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby D. H2Oman » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:06 pm

nycparalegal wrote:Wasn't CUNY the "poor man's Harvard"?


no

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby nycparalegal » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:08 pm

D. H2Oman wrote:
nycparalegal wrote:Wasn't CUNY the "poor man's Harvard"?


no



Yes

In the years when top-flight private schools were restricted to the children of the Protestant Establishment, thousands of brilliant individuals (including Jewish students) attended City College because they had no other option. CCNY's academic excellence and status as a working-class school earned it the titles "Harvard of the Proletariat", the "poor man's Harvard", and "Harvard-on-the-Hudson"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_College_of_New_York

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby D. H2Oman » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:11 pm

nycparalegal wrote:
D. H2Oman wrote:
nycparalegal wrote:Wasn't CUNY the "poor man's Harvard"?


no



Yes

[strike]In the years when top-flight private schools were restricted to the children of the Protestant Establishment, thousands of brilliant individuals (including Jewish students) attended City College because they had no other option. CCNY's academic excellence and status as a working-class school earned it the titles "Harvard of the Proletariat", the "poor man's Harvard", and "Harvard-on-the-Hudson"[/strike]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_College_of_New_York


Oh, I'm sorry, we don't count what some guy wrote in a book review in 1994 as fact.

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby Ragged » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:12 pm

That would be any school outside of T14. And there is a good reason for that. Think about it.
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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby kittenmittons » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:12 pm

nycparalegal wrote:
D. H2Oman wrote:
nycparalegal wrote:Wasn't CUNY the "poor man's Harvard"?


no



Yes

In the years when top-flight private schools were restricted to the children of the Protestant Establishment, thousands of brilliant individuals (including Jewish students) attended City College because they had no other option. CCNY's academic excellence and status as a working-class school earned it the titles "Harvard of the Proletariat", the "poor man's Harvard", and "Harvard-on-the-Hudson"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_College_of_New_York


From the original article

Start with the CCNY story. The U.S., and in fact the world, is liberally sprinkled with men and women who attended CCNY during what is believed to have been its glory years, which were in the 1930s extending to the late 1960s. In this stage descendants of East and South European immigrants flocked there, partly because it charged no tuition, but also because it was known as "Harvard on the Hudson" by its fans,


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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby kittenmittons » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:14 pm

Ragged wrote:That would be any school outside of [strike]T14[/strike] T13. And there is a good reason for that. Think about it.

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby sarlis » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:18 pm

kittenmittons wrote:
Ragged wrote:That would be any school outside of [strike]T14[/strike] T13. And there is a good reason for that. Think about it.


Blatant anti-GULC trolling

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby 84Sunbird2000 » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:19 pm

So, can I ask why the hostility towards the OP and the idea for this thread? Certainly, there are articles here and there pertaining to certain low-ranked schools (and discussions on the acceptance/denial sub-forum), but it's really not that ridiculous of an idea.

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby reasonabledoubt » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:19 pm

Ragged wrote:That would be any school outside of T14. And there is a good reason for that. Think about it.



You think about this: There are (even friends of people on these threads) Berkeley 3L's and grads without a job offer in sight while TTTT 3L's and grads in less saturated markets (I have several friend examples) are all set with secure jobs and offers.

I think it's worth talking about.... T-14 does not = instajob nor does it necessarily mean (a) better education (b) better long-term income potential (c) better lawyer (d) better anything, really.

In a recession, people, firms, etc, are looking for bargains.... "undervalued assets," so to speak. Lower tier grads might be considered undervalued assets. They also might consider the fact that a lower tier grad might be more likely to stick around for the long term as opposed to the prestige-obsessed top-tier grad who might skip out on the firm as soon as the economy recovers and he/she can sneak into biglaw.
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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby sundevil77 » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:22 pm

The more I go on TLS the more I believe that TTTs are ripping students off, promising them riches in exchange for loads of debt. I don't know if this is just some echo chamber thought bouncing off the walls of TLS, or if it is actually the truth. I'm inclined to think it's mostly true.

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby stratocophic » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:22 pm

sarlis wrote:
kittenmittons wrote:
Ragged wrote:That would be any school outside of [strike]T14[/strike] T13. And there is a good reason for that. Think about it.


Blatant anti-GULC trolling


Blatant pro-GTTTown trolling. Don't try and fight it, T13's going to be a thing.

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby kittenmittons » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:24 pm

stratocophic wrote:
sarlis wrote:
kittenmittons wrote:
Ragged wrote:That would be any school outside of [strike]T14[/strike] T13. And there is a good reason for that. Think about it.


Blatant anti-GULC trolling


Blatant pro-GTTTown trolling. Don't try and fight it, T13's going to be a thing.

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby MC Southstar » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:25 pm

I heard NorthwesTTTern was good.

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby reasonabledoubt » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:26 pm

sundevil77 wrote:The more I go on TLS the more I believe that T-14's are ripping students off, promising them riches in exchange for loads of debt. I don't know if this is just some echo chamber thought bouncing off the walls of TLS, or if it is actually the truth. I'm inclined to think it's mostly true.


Fixt.

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby kittenmittons » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:26 pm

MC Southstar wrote:I heard NorthwesTTTern was good.


How do you feel about BigDECATURLaw?

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby sarlis » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:29 pm

stratocophic wrote:
sarlis wrote:
kittenmittons wrote:
Ragged wrote:That would be any school outside of [strike]T14[/strike] T13. And there is a good reason for that. Think about it.


Blatant anti-GULC trolling


Blatant pro-GTTTown trolling. Don't try and fight it, T13's going to be a thing.


blatant anti-cornell trolling

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby Ragged » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:32 pm

reasonabledoubt wrote:
Ragged wrote:That would be any school outside of T14. And there is a good reason for that. Think about it.



You think about this: There are (even friends of people on these threads) Berkeley 3L's and grads without a job offer in sight while TTTT 3L's and grads in less saturated markets (I have several friend examples) are all set with secure jobs and offers.

I think it's worth talking about.... T-14 does not = instajob nor does it necessarily mean (a) better education (b) better long-term income potential (c) better lawyer (d) better anything, really.

In a recession, people, firms, etc, are looking for bargains.... "undervalued assets," so to speak. Lower tier grads might be considered undervalued assets. They also might consider the fact that a lower tier grad might be more likely to stick around for the long term as opposed to the prestige-obsessed top-tier grad who might skip out on the firm as soon as the economy recovers and he/she can sneak into biglaw.


Fair enough. Its taking the "top" right out of "top-law-schools" but whatever.

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby sundevil77 » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:32 pm

reasonabledoubt wrote:
Ragged wrote:That would be any school outside of T14. And there is a good reason for that. Think about it.



You think about this: There are (even friends of people on these threads) Berkeley 3L's and grads without a job offer in sight while TTTT 3L's and grads in less saturated markets (I have several friend examples) are all set with secure jobs and offers.

I think it's worth talking about....


Maybe the Berkeley students you speak of have set their sights on different jobs. Could they possibly be holding out for BigLaw or their dream job? Conversely, maybe the TTT students are targeting less prestigious, more accessible positions. Also, they could have gone to a TTT partly because they had a job set up and knew the degree was only a formality. I'm just throwing those explanations out there...

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby MC Southstar » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:33 pm

How does WUSTTTL make money if they give out scholarships to failures?

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby Ragged » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:33 pm

sarlis wrote:
stratocophic wrote:
sarlis wrote:
kittenmittons wrote:


Blatant anti-GULC trolling


Blatant pro-GTTTown trolling. Don't try and fight it, T13's going to be a thing.


blatant pro-cornell trolling


ftfy

we are gonna keep doing this 'till we get all the way up to Yale.

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby GATORTIM » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:34 pm

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Re: Rarely talked about schools on TLS...

Postby sarlis » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:34 pm

Ragged wrote:
sarlis wrote:
stratocophic wrote:
sarlis wrote:
Blatant anti-GULC trolling


Blatant pro-GTTTown trolling. Don't try and fight it, T13's going to be a thing.


blatant pro-cornell trolling


ftfy

we are gonna keep doing this 'till we get all the way up to Yale.


blatant anti... fuck it




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