Lying awake at night

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letsdoit1982
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Re: Lying to the police

Postby letsdoit1982 » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:49 pm

BigFatPanda wrote:
letsdoit1982 wrote:
Borhas wrote:
BigFatPanda wrote:Section 18.2-409 of Virginia Criminal Law Manual:

"Resisting or obstructing execution of legal process:

Every person acting jointly or in combination with any other person to resist or obstruct the execution of any legal process shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor".

If your friend lives Virginia, in view of lying to police, indicates a misconduct of character that may impede admission to the bar of the state. While i am not sure what Law school would do with your friend, i know for sure your friend has a lot of explanation to do with the bar in the state he intends to practice in. And he can pretty much forget about being a prosecutor.

God damn, your friend is stupid.

Just for kicks, Class 1 misdemeanor, if convicted means a maximum jail time of 1 year, at a minimum a permanent criminal record.


I think you are being a bit hasty, yes what he did was incredibly stupid, but he hasn't been convicted of anything yet.


Whenever someone applies for a job in law enforcement (prosecutors, police officers etc), they hook you up to a lie detector and they ask you if you have ever cheated, lied, or steal. If the answer is yes even if you discloses it truthfully, thats ground for instant dismissal (This is no joke, there are candidates booted from police academy because they lie on very trivial stuff not to mention major league stuff like this).


You have no idea what you're talking about. They definitely do not ask you those questions. Obviously someone has lied at some point in their life (i.e. as a teenage to their parents). Questions they would ask you would be something along the lines of "have you ever taken or trafficked any illegal substances" or "have you ever participated in physical violence against another person."


Strange thing, they ask me that as a pre-req to police academy. And no, they did not ask stuff like "have you ever taken or trafficked any illegal substances" or "have you ever participated in physical violence against another person." (Because they already know when they did the background check). They ask stuff like "Have you ever downloaded porn from the internet", "have you ever stole a pen from your work place". The whole idea is to gauge whether you're trust worthy by answering truthfully about commonplace things they couldn't find out in background investigation but had statistically truthful response to it.

Oh yeah, i heard plenty of stories about cadets getting booted for lying on the most ridiculous thing.
BTW, they definitely do that if someone wants to be in law enforcement, i.e. prosecutors being one of them.

Don't believe me? hey, its a free world.[/quote]

Ok, so the answer to the question of whether you've ever lied cheated or stole would be 'yes, yes, and yes.' When I was seven I lied to my mom when she asked me if I brushed my teeth. I then cheated in monopoly. And I stole Susan's pink pearl eraser during math class.

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Re: Lying to the police

Postby BigFatPanda » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:51 pm

Me-a Culpa wrote:
They ask stuff like "Have you ever downloaded porn from the internet", "have you ever stole a pen from your work place". The whole idea is to gauge whether you're trust worthy by answering truthfully about commonplace things they couldn't find out in background investigation but had statistically truthful response to it.


Why lie?


People are sometimes stupid. In fact, someone in my class was booted for that very stupidity. He was asked whether he ever downloaded child porn from the internet and he answered "yes" (I have no idea why he would want to become a police officer). So he got booted and that would've been that; except that he was suppose to give back the badge for accessing police academy when he was booted. For some reason, he didn't. That gave the local PD the probable cause for a warrant to search his home for "police property" and they found a ton of child porn on this computer. He is now under arrest.

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Re: Lying to the police

Postby BigFatPanda » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:53 pm

Ok, so the answer to the question of whether you've ever lied cheated or stole would be 'yes, yes, and yes.' When I was seven I lied to my mom when she asked me if I brushed my teeth. I then cheated in monopoly. And I stole Susan's pink pearl eraser during math class.


They used to just ask that; thats when people came up with wise answers like yours and they started narrowing the scope to better gauge the response.

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Re: Lying to the police

Postby letsdoit1982 » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:58 pm

BigFatPanda wrote:
Ok, so the answer to the question of whether you've ever lied cheated or stole would be 'yes, yes, and yes.' When I was seven I lied to my mom when she asked me if I brushed my teeth. I then cheated in monopoly. And I stole Susan's pink pearl eraser during math class.


They used to just ask that; thats when people came up with wise answers like yours and they started narrowing the scope to better gauge the response.



Anyway, OP doesn't need to worry, because his obstruction of justice charge will come out during the background check. Also, I don't think many DA offices polygraph.

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Re: Lying to the police

Postby T14_Scholly » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:03 pm

Why say T6 when you could just say Chicago or Berkeley?

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Re: Lying to the police

Postby Kohinoor » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:06 pm

T14_Scholly wrote:Why say T6 when you could just say Chicago or Berkeley?

egregious pro Chicago trolling.

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Re: Lying to the police

Postby tomhobbes » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:55 pm

BigFatPanda wrote:
Me-a Culpa wrote:
They ask stuff like "Have you ever downloaded porn from the internet", "have you ever stole a pen from your work place". The whole idea is to gauge whether you're trust worthy by answering truthfully about commonplace things they couldn't find out in background investigation but had statistically truthful response to it.


Why lie?


People are sometimes stupid. In fact, someone in my class was booted for that very stupidity. He was asked whether he ever downloaded child porn from the internet and he answered "yes" (I have no idea why he would want to become a police officer). So he got booted and that would've been that; except that he was suppose to give back the badge for accessing police academy when he was booted. For some reason, he didn't. That gave the local PD the probable cause for a warrant to search his home for "police property" and they found a ton of child porn on this computer. He is now under arrest.


How could a warrant to search for a badge allow them to search his computer? Did they think he had digitized it?

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Re: Lying to the police

Postby Unitas » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:58 pm

tomhobbes wrote:
BigFatPanda wrote:
Me-a Culpa wrote:
They ask stuff like "Have you ever downloaded porn from the internet", "have you ever stole a pen from your work place". The whole idea is to gauge whether you're trust worthy by answering truthfully about commonplace things they couldn't find out in background investigation but had statistically truthful response to it.


Why lie?


People are sometimes stupid. In fact, someone in my class was booted for that very stupidity. He was asked whether he ever downloaded child porn from the internet and he answered "yes" (I have no idea why he would want to become a police officer). So he got booted and that would've been that; except that he was suppose to give back the badge for accessing police academy when he was booted. For some reason, he didn't. That gave the local PD the probable cause for a warrant to search his home for "police property" and they found a ton of child porn on this computer. He is now under arrest.


How could a warrant to search for a badge allow them to search his computer? Did they think he had digitized it?


This is the problem you see with this story?

My problem is why wouldn't they arrest him and search his computer after admitting to downloading child porn. And if you are wondering probable cause he already admitted to it.

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Re: Lying to the police

Postby tomhobbes » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:00 pm

Kakarot wrote:This is the problem you see with this story?

My problem is why wouldn't they arrest him and search his computer after admitting to downloading child porn.


My UG conlaw classes didn't cover common sense, and neither did my philosophy ones.

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Re: Lying to the police

Postby Me-a Culpa » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:10 pm

My problem is why wouldn't they arrest him and search his computer after admitting to downloading child porn


No doubt!

But I must admit, the first time I looked at this, I read it as: downloading porn. Thinking I was f-ed, your post forced me to read the important modifier.... whew.

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Re: Lying to the police

Postby T14_Scholly » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:40 am

This person deserves to have their acceptance revoked, and I hope that is what happens. You don't respect the law, you don't deserve to attend an elite law school.

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Re: Lying awake at night

Postby T14_Scholly » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:59 am

Lol, having seen the OP change the thread, I think it's safe to say he was asking about himself.

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Re: Lying awake at night

Postby tomhobbes » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:01 am

Actually, it was because I just thought it wasn't a good idea to leave my friend's story up forever when it could come back to haunt him somehow. I also thought it would be a bad idea to leave it up if someone encountered it someday and mistakenly thought it was me.

Jesus christ I'm gonna tell my friends to fucking make their own accounts next time. Is it really that hard to believe that I post on this forum regularly, so I know some stuff about law school admissions, my friends know that, and when they have questions I can't answer they ask me to post about them?

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Re: Lying awake at night

Postby Me-a Culpa » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:21 am

I hope that is what happens. You don't respect the law, you don't deserve to attend an elite law school.


"deserve" :shock:

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Re: Lying to the police

Postby pleasetryagain » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:27 am

letsdoit1982 wrote: When I was seven I lied to my mom when she asked me if I brushed my teeth. I then cheated in monopoly. And I stole Susan's pink pearl eraser during math class.


fully disclose in an addendum - character and fitness frowns on this kind of malicious behavior.




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