Lying awake at night Forum

[tomhobbes]

Lying awake at night for no reason: good idea or bad?

My vote is bad.

Edited because I think this topic has run its course.

[letsdoit1982]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here: I think your friend is you.

[09042014]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here: I think your friend is you.

And I think the city is Champaign-Urbana.

[tomhobbes]

If anyone wants to believe that, they can. It wouldn't change what I'm asking for.

Actually, I should clarify that this really isn't me, because I don't want any adcomms reading this to identify me and think I did this. I'm not really sure how I can prove that I'm not talking about myself in that post. Well, if anyone cared to examine my post history, they could see that I've made posts asking about advice for my friends before. I think I've also made a post where I mention a friend that got into a t6 school.

[jayn3]

definitely get a lawyer and see if there's any way to get the charges dropped. then pay the fine, do the community service, and get ready to write an appropriately repentant letter of explanation.

stupid thing to do, but we've all been there. i wouldn't give up on a dream over it.

[09042014]

definitely get a lawyer and see if there's any way to get the charges dropped. then pay the fine, do the community service, and get ready to write an appropriately repentant letter of explanation.

stupid thing to do, but we've all been there. i wouldn't give up on a dream over it.

TITCR

[Tanicius]

I don't get why people keep saying "T5" when they mean to obscure the fact that the school in question is NYU.

[tomhobbes]

I don't get why people keep saying "T5" when they mean to obscure the fact that the school in question is NYU.

Why wouldn't I mean Columbia?

[09042014]

I don't get why people keep saying "T5" when they mean to obscure the fact that the school in question is NYU.

Why wouldn't I mean Columbia?

Because you'd say T6.

T5 is a NYU troll invention.

[Tanicius]

I don't get why people keep saying "T5" when they mean to obscure the fact that the school in question is NYU.

Why wouldn't I mean Columbia?

Because you'd say T6.

T5 is a NYU troll invention.

Don't mean to derail your thread, TomHobbes, but it's true.

[tomhobbes]

I don't get why people keep saying "T5" when they mean to obscure the fact that the school in question is NYU.

Why wouldn't I mean Columbia?

Because you'd say T6.

T5 is a NYU troll invention.

Oh, I guess it's working then, because I just picked it up from somewhere kind of randomly. I actually thought I wrote t6 in the OP. I don't really have reason to be an NYU-troll.

[09042014]

I don't get why people keep saying "T5" when they mean to obscure the fact that the school in question is NYU.

Why wouldn't I mean Columbia?

Because you'd say T6.

T5 is a NYU troll invention.

Oh, I guess it's working then, because I just picked it up from somewhere kind of randomly. I actually thought I wrote t6 in the OP. I don't really have reason to be an NYU-troll.

I say T5 and mean HYSCC.

[Kohinoor]

T5=HYSCB

Your friend managed to pwn himself amazingly. Lying to an officer of the peace will not look cute when character and fitness comes around.

[09042014]

T5=HYSCB

Your friend managed to pwn himself amazingly. Lying to an officer of the peace will not look cute when character and fitness comes around.

If he discloses it it will be fine.

[pleasetryagain]

I used to consider lying to the police when I would get in trouble for skateboarding back in the day. Then I remembered they have computers.

[Mr. Matlock]

Bizarre story to say the least. Obviously the only answer we can give is to get a lawyer and try to worm his way out... if even possible. It's just mind-blowing to think a guy who wanted to be a prosecutor, got into a T6.... or WHATEVER, would pull such a douche move. Was he blasted out of his mind?

Personally, I don't think it looks good. Perhaps you can PM Dean Pless and ask how he usually views such circumstances. At least get the perspective from an adcom's perspective.

And no, I don't think it's you!

[BigFatPanda]

Section 18.2-409 of Virginia Criminal Law Manual:

"Resisting or obstructing execution of legal process:

Every person acting jointly or in combination with any other person to resist or obstruct the execution of any legal process shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor".

If your friend lives Virginia, in view of lying to police, indicates a misconduct of character that may impede admission to the bar of the state. While i am not sure what Law school would do with your friend, i know for sure your friend has a lot of explanation to do with the bar in the state he intends to practice in. And he can pretty much forget about being a prosecutor.

God damn, your friend is stupid.

Just for kicks, Class 1 misdemeanor, if convicted means a maximum jail time of 1 year, at a minimum a permanent criminal record.

[Kohinoor]

T5=HYSCB

Your friend managed to pwn himself amazingly. Lying to an officer of the peace will not look cute when character and fitness comes around.

If he discloses it it will be fine.

I never said he won't be admitted. I'm sure he just got himself an interview though.

[Borhas]

Section 18.2-409 of Virginia Criminal Law Manual:

"Resisting or obstructing execution of legal process:

Every person acting jointly or in combination with any other person to resist or obstruct the execution of any legal process shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor".

If your friend lives Virginia, in view of lying to police, indicates a misconduct of character that may impede admission to the bar of the state. While i am not sure what Law school would do with your friend, i know for sure your friend has a lot of explanation to do with the bar in the state he intends to practice in. And he can pretty much forget about being a prosecutor.

God damn, your friend is stupid.

Just for kicks, Class 1 misdemeanor, if convicted means a maximum jail time of 1 year, at a minimum a permanent criminal record.

I think you are being a bit hasty, yes what he did was incredibly stupid, but he hasn't been convicted of anything yet.

[lawman335]

why the hell your friend lied to the cop ,its his mistake for which he his suffering now........

[BigFatPanda]

Section 18.2-409 of Virginia Criminal Law Manual:

"Resisting or obstructing execution of legal process:

Every person acting jointly or in combination with any other person to resist or obstruct the execution of any legal process shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor".

If your friend lives Virginia, in view of lying to police, indicates a misconduct of character that may impede admission to the bar of the state. While i am not sure what Law school would do with your friend, i know for sure your friend has a lot of explanation to do with the bar in the state he intends to practice in. And he can pretty much forget about being a prosecutor.

God damn, your friend is stupid.

Just for kicks, Class 1 misdemeanor, if convicted means a maximum jail time of 1 year, at a minimum a permanent criminal record.

I think you are being a bit hasty, yes what he did was incredibly stupid, but he hasn't been convicted of anything yet.

Whenever someone applies for a job in law enforcement (prosecutors, police officers etc), they hook you up to a lie detector and they ask you if you have ever cheated, lied, or steal. If the answer is yes even if you discloses it truthfully, thats ground for instant dismissal (This is no joke, there are candidates booted from police academy because they lie on very trivial stuff not to mention major league stuff like this).

Convicted or not, this incident is going to remain on his permanent record.

[APimpNamedSlickback]

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[letsdoit1982]

Section 18.2-409 of Virginia Criminal Law Manual:

"Resisting or obstructing execution of legal process:

Every person acting jointly or in combination with any other person to resist or obstruct the execution of any legal process shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor".

If your friend lives Virginia, in view of lying to police, indicates a misconduct of character that may impede admission to the bar of the state. While i am not sure what Law school would do with your friend, i know for sure your friend has a lot of explanation to do with the bar in the state he intends to practice in. And he can pretty much forget about being a prosecutor.

God damn, your friend is stupid.

Just for kicks, Class 1 misdemeanor, if convicted means a maximum jail time of 1 year, at a minimum a permanent criminal record.

I think you are being a bit hasty, yes what he did was incredibly stupid, but he hasn't been convicted of anything yet.

Whenever someone applies for a job in law enforcement (prosecutors, police officers etc), they hook you up to a lie detector and they ask you if you have ever cheated, lied, or steal. If the answer is yes even if you discloses it truthfully, thats ground for instant dismissal (This is no joke, there are candidates booted from police academy because they lie on very trivial stuff not to mention major league stuff like this).

You have no idea what you're talking about. They definitely do not ask you those questions. Obviously someone has lied at some point in their life (i.e. as a teenager to their parents). Questions they would ask you would be something along the lines of "have you ever taken or trafficked any illegal substances" or "have you ever participated in physical violence against another person."

[BigFatPanda]

Section 18.2-409 of Virginia Criminal Law Manual:

"Resisting or obstructing execution of legal process:

Every person acting jointly or in combination with any other person to resist or obstruct the execution of any legal process shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor".

If your friend lives Virginia, in view of lying to police, indicates a misconduct of character that may impede admission to the bar of the state. While i am not sure what Law school would do with your friend, i know for sure your friend has a lot of explanation to do with the bar in the state he intends to practice in. And he can pretty much forget about being a prosecutor.

God damn, your friend is stupid.

Just for kicks, Class 1 misdemeanor, if convicted means a maximum jail time of 1 year, at a minimum a permanent criminal record.

I think you are being a bit hasty, yes what he did was incredibly stupid, but he hasn't been convicted of anything yet.

Whenever someone applies for a job in law enforcement (prosecutors, police officers etc), they hook you up to a lie detector and they ask you if you have ever cheated, lied, or steal. If the answer is yes even if you discloses it truthfully, thats ground for instant dismissal (This is no joke, there are candidates booted from police academy because they lie on very trivial stuff not to mention major league stuff like this).

You have no idea what you're talking about. They definitely do not ask you those questions. Obviously someone has lied at some point in their life (i.e. as a teenage to their parents). Questions they would ask you would be something along the lines of "have you ever taken or trafficked any illegal substances" or "have you ever participated in physical violence against another person."

Strange thing, they ask me that as a pre-req to police academy. And no, they did not ask stuff like "have you ever taken or trafficked any illegal substances" or "have you ever participated in physical violence against another person." (Because they already know when they did the background check and eliminated those with a history). They ask stuff like "Have you ever downloaded porn from the internet", "have you ever stole a pen from your work place". The whole idea is to gauge whether you're trust worthy by answering truthfully about commonplace things they couldn't find out in background investigation but had statistically truthful response to it.

Oh yeah, i heard plenty of stories about cadets getting booted for lying on the most ridiculous thing.
BTW, they definitely do that if someone wants to be in law enforcement, i.e. prosecutors being one of them.

Don't believe me? hey, its a free world.

[Me-a Culpa]

They ask stuff like "Have you ever downloaded porn from the internet", "have you ever stole a pen from your work place". The whole idea is to gauge whether you're trust worthy by answering truthfully about commonplace things they couldn't find out in background investigation but had statistically truthful response to it.

Why lie?