I plan on practicing in Chicago, Advice please

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Re: I plan on practicing in Chicago, Advice please

Postby 09042014 » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:36 am

Veyron wrote:
EzraStiles wrote:
Veyron wrote:I would like to see the statistic that says that it is easier to get biglaw in Chi-town from NU than Michigan. Said statistic should not be based on self selection.

edit: Also keep in mind that NU is more $ than Michigan. Indeed it is proly the most expensive law school in the country after cost of living.


Ah I better see what your saying. The two do have relatively similar placement, but i think if an applicant is completely set on practicing in Chicago, and they cannot get into U of C, NU is their best option, mainly based on simple proximity to firms and their recruiting efforts.

My main beef was with your claim that UMich gets more respect in Chicago than NU. I guarantee if you poll a bigger group that will prove false, or at least not as definite as you make it sound.

EDIT: Never compare other schools to HYS based off what you see on a chart. That chart lists the number of graduates and how many go into Big Law. HYS graduates, especially Yale and Stanford, don't try for Big Law nearly as much as other T14 schools. The chart is accurate. Never question the chart.


The proximity argument is bunk. Michigan also primarily feeds into Chicago.

And yes, the chart is accurate, its just measuring the wrong thing.


The first link is better since it doesn't exclude clerks yet. (since people who clerk get 2L summer jobs).

The difference in placement overall is probably class size. Small class sizes do better percentage wise. For example firms may hire 2 NU and 2 Mich, but Mich has a larger class size making the percentage change smaller.

Michigan beats NU out west and down south, NU beats it in Chicago, and they are fairly tied for NYC.

Also the proximity argument is not bunk. Half of NU's class stays in Chicago. It has a great alumni network. Michigan does too, but a lot of Michigan's top talent goes to NYC and Cali, but NU's stay in Chicago.

If you know you want Chicago, if not Michigan is the more versatile school.
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Re: I plan on practicing in Chicago, Advice please

Postby im_blue » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:37 am

Illini372 wrote:Eh, 167, 4.04, cell biology, teaching assistant, good softs, Michigan median LSAT is 169 so who knows.


You should have better than 50/50 chance at Michigan, provided you showed some interest with a Why Michigan essay. Chicago and Northwestern (without WE) will definitely be reaches, though.

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Re: I plan on practicing in Chicago, Advice please

Postby EzraStiles » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:38 am

We send ~25% to New York, ~15 to Chicago. Under no definition can you call that the 'primary' market where graduates are sent to. Do your research and stop basing your opinion off speculation and guesses.

EDIT: we means Michigan, not NU. just to be clear
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Re: I plan on practicing in Chicago, Advice please

Postby Veyron » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:43 am

Should have said "one of the primary markets". Jeesh, if this is really the state affairs Michigan truly IS in decline (not that I believe that that this is the case).

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Re: I plan on practicing in Chicago, Advice please

Postby Illini372 » Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:48 pm

Hey who knows, I'm sure people have gotten in with lower LSAT's than my own, it was worth a shot at all three schools for sure

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Re: I plan on practicing in Chicago, Advice please

Postby rayiner » Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:08 pm

Veyron wrote:The proximity argument is bunk. Michigan also primarily feeds into Chicago.


Michigan primarily feeds into NYC.

Re: Michigan versus NU. I think the two schools are essentially peers in terms of placement:
http://www.leiterrankings.com/jobs/2008job_biglaw.shtml
http://lawfirmaddict.blogspot.com/2007/ ... ement.html

(These measures are for "elite" firm placement and thus are influenced much less by self-selection).

I think the Michigan name carries better into DC/the West coast though. NU is really not great for the elite DC litigation boutiques based on the data I have.

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Re: I plan on practicing in Chicago, Advice please

Postby Illini372 » Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:31 pm

Anyone think the recent clout scandals at U of I are going to negatively impact it feeding into Chicago for the next few years?

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Re: I plan on practicing in Chicago, Advice please

Postby Lawschoolman » Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:07 pm

Veyron wrote:^ According to this, NU outpaces HYS for Biglaw. I am going to go out on a limb and say that this list is worthless. There is such a thing as self selection.


Tis true.

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Re: I plan on practicing in Chicago, Advice please

Postby JCougar » Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:50 pm

Illini372 wrote:Wow, that's a pretty bold statement about UIUC being the best non t14 for Chicago. Anyone else agree with this remark?

Thanks again for the comments.


I agree with that.

Just look at the lists of partners/associates at V100 Chicago firms. UIUC is extremely well-represented.

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Re: I plan on practicing in Chicago, Advice please

Postby Illini372 » Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:52 pm

JCougar wrote:
Illini372 wrote:Wow, that's a pretty bold statement about UIUC being the best non t14 for Chicago. Anyone else agree with this remark?

Thanks again for the comments.


I agree with that.

Just look at the lists of partners/associates at V100 Chicago firms. UIUC is extremely well-represented.


Took a look myself, yeah they certainly are represented well




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