Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

(Applications Advice, Letters of Recommendation . . . )
sellparkcity
Posts: 4
Joined: Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:38 pm

Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby sellparkcity » Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:51 pm

Okay so I'm just waiting to hear on what my punishment will be for plagiarism which includes the source listed but whatever.

I have a 3.45 from an ivy league graduate school, for a Master's in IR. I've got a BS in Sociology (Major GPA 3.14) from 2005. Lots of science and real estate work experience and some work with the Lantos Foundation.

LSAT: I figure 155-165, barring some miracle

So what are my chances at Georgetown's part time program if I take the LSAT in Oct. 2010?

Do Ad Comm's check applicant's grad school transcripts? If I send LSAC my transcripts now before a potentially devastating plagiarism mark is on my transcripts, will Ad Comm's check it?

User avatar
Lmao Zedong
Posts: 381
Joined: Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:10 am

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby Lmao Zedong » Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:55 pm

plagiarism is really bad

you're probably fucked, and deservedly so

edit: also, don't even think about trying to hide this from them, you'd only be digging yourself a deeper hole, and it's one you'll have no chance of climbing out of come C&F time

User avatar
scribelaw
Posts: 771
Joined: Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:27 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby scribelaw » Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:58 pm

I also see that you didn't list your undergrad GPA, as calculated by LSAC. That's the only number that matters.

Don't try to hide your plagiarism, disclose it and see what happens. Doubling down on deceit will turn out badly.

User avatar
GATORTIM
Posts: 1214
Joined: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:51 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby GATORTIM » Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:00 pm

if 155 LSAT ---> DING

if 165 LSAT ---> see above posts

Kretzy
Posts: 1431
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:11 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby Kretzy » Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:02 pm

sellparkcity wrote:Okay so I'm just waiting to hear on what my punishment will be for plagiarism which includes the source listed but whatever.

I have a 3.45 from an ivy league graduate school, for a Master's in IR. I've got a BS in Sociology (Major GPA 3.14) from 2005. Lots of science and real estate work experience and some work with the Lantos Foundation.

LSAT: I figure 155-165, barring some miracle

So what are my chances at Georgetown's part time program if I take the LSAT in Oct. 2010?

Do Ad Comm's check applicant's grad school transcripts? If I send LSAC my transcripts now before a potentially devastating plagiarism mark is on my transcripts, will Ad Comm's check it?


Was it a missed citation, or did you flat-out cheat? Having chaired our campus' Honor Council in college, and having had to write letters explaining particular violations to graduate programs, having ANY chance at admission is dependent on the type of violation.

User avatar
Mr. Matlock
Posts: 1360
Joined: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:36 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby Mr. Matlock » Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:02 pm

Hell, even minus the plagiarism, a 3.14/165 is auto ding at Georgetown. Throw in the plagiarism and a 173 and I still think you'd have problems. All transcripts MUST be reported. Imagine getting in, graduating, only to fail the C&F portion of the Bar Review. $200,000 in debt with no hope of a career or bankruptcy...................................... well, it could be a cool documentary I guess.

Oblomov
Posts: 241
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:16 am

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby Oblomov » Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:02 pm

Does this mean that the plagiarism is on your MA? If it were, say, from your freshman year you might be able to talk your way out of it. If it's recent, you're done.

User avatar
saltoftheearth
Posts: 137
Joined: Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:28 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby saltoftheearth » Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:17 pm

to answer your question:
Sure, adcomms will look at your graduate work... but unfortunately, it won't count for much
LSAC GPA is everything (besides the LSAT- but you knew that)

1. fight this plagiarism issue as best you can
2. whatever happens next- full disclosure or die
3. study for LSAT
4. apply wherever you'd like
5. pray to your God
6. wait and see

User avatar
monkeyboy
Posts: 181
Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:11 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby monkeyboy » Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:20 pm

GargamelITT wrote:plagiarism is really bad

you're probably fucked, and deservedly so

edit: also, don't even think about trying to hide this from them, you'd only be digging yourself a deeper hole, and it's one you'll have no chance of climbing out of come C&F time


Perhaps he can spin it and make it into a positive. Maybe a bully forced him to plagiarize his work? That's plausible.

TheOtherJen
Posts: 7
Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:26 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby TheOtherJen » Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:23 pm

You plagiarized and you want to go to law school? Seriously? You are the last thing this industry needs.

User avatar
monkeyboy
Posts: 181
Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:11 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby monkeyboy » Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:25 pm

TheOtherJen wrote:You plagiarized and you want to go to law school? Seriously? You are the last thing this industry needs.


Hey, we all make mistakes. People can change. Did you know that Perry Mason did time for running a dog fighting ring years before attending law school? He changed, and so can the OP.

User avatar
Corsair
Posts: 3997
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 1981 12:25 am

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby Corsair » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:26 pm

..

User avatar
FunkyJD
Posts: 1039
Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:38 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby FunkyJD » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:38 pm

sellparkcity wrote:Okay so I'm just waiting to hear on what my punishment will be for plagiarism which includes the source listed but whatever.

"Mayday, mayday ..."

sellparkcity wrote:Do Ad Comm's check applicant's grad school transcripts?

Seriously?

sellparkcity wrote:If I send LSAC my transcripts now before a potentially devastating plagiarism mark is on my transcripts, will Ad Comm's check it?

Nothing like going through three years of law school only to fail the C&F portion of the bar, for failure to disclose.

Good luck.

User avatar
FunkyJD
Posts: 1039
Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:38 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby FunkyJD » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:42 pm

Mr. Matlock wrote:Imagine getting in, graduating, only to fail the C&F portion of the Bar Review. $200,000 in debt with no hope of a career or bankruptcy...................................... well, it could be a cool documentary I guess.


Well hell, Matlock beat me to it. This.

APimpNamedSlickback
Posts: 1126
Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:33 am

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby APimpNamedSlickback » Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:34 am

This thread oozes with self-righteousness.

OP:

Almost no single offense will keep you from law school. Plagiarism is ugly, and it may very well be a dealbreaker for some schools, but if you write a completely honest, comprehensive, and well-written addendum, you will be able to reduce this incident's negative impact on your file.

That this occured in graduate school, rather than say freshman year, will not help you at all, but in almost every case the disclosure is much more relevant than the actual offense. if you are honest and genuine about everything, and this is your only instance of dishonest behavior, i think things will work out ok.

good luck.

User avatar
CoaltoNewCastle
Posts: 316
Joined: Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:40 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby CoaltoNewCastle » Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:42 am

The numbers you listed (no UGPA and a very, very rough estimate of what your LSAT score might end up being) aren't enough information to tell you your chances of getting into most schools. Though with Georgetown, even without plagiarism, your chances are pretty bad.

lawschooliseasy
Posts: 460
Joined: Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:13 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby lawschooliseasy » Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:54 am

saltoftheearth wrote:to answer your question:
Sure, adcomms will look at your graduate work... but unfortunately, it won't count for much
LSAC GPA is everything (besides the LSAT- but you knew that)

1. fight this plagiarism issue as best you can
2. whatever happens next- full disclosure or die
3. study for LSAT
4. apply wherever you'd like
5. pray to Gods
6. wait and see


fix´d

User avatar
eandy
Posts: 2725
Joined: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:07 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby eandy » Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:09 am

I'd avoid schools that are big on honor codes, washington and lee or UVA for example.

User avatar
FunkyJD
Posts: 1039
Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:38 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby FunkyJD » Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:41 am

talibkweli wrote:This thread oozes with self-righteousness.

That statement itself is self-righteous.

talibkweli wrote:Plagiarism in graduate school is ugly, since by then you should know better -- and [strike]it may very well[/strike] it will probably be a dealbreaker for some schools ... but if you write a completely honest, comprehensive, and well-written addendum, and post a particularly impressive LSAT score, you [strike]will[/strike] may be able to reduce this incident's significantly negative impact on your file.

fify.

Not busting OP's chops for sport, there's a reason why academic dishonesty is to be avoided. And when OP goes further and implies, through their questions, that they may be willing to try and evade detection of their problem by playing games with the submission of their graduate school transcripts, that suggests to me that OP has a loose relationship with honesty to begin with. Here's a lollipop if that sounds self-righteous and hurtful, but that's my opinion.

User avatar
devilishangelrjp
Posts: 257
Joined: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:21 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby devilishangelrjp » Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:47 am

FunkyJD wrote:
talibkweli wrote:This thread oozes with self-righteousness.

That statement itself is self-righteous.

talibkweli wrote:Plagiarism in graduate school is ugly, since by then you should know better -- and [strike]it may very well[/strike] it will probably be a dealbreaker for some schools ... but if you write a completely honest, comprehensive, and well-written addendum, and post a particularly impressive LSAT score, you [strike]will[/strike] may be able to reduce this incident's significantly negative impact on your file.

fify.

Not busting OP's chops for sport, there's a reason why academic dishonesty is to be avoided. And when OP goes further and implies, through their questions, that they may be willing to try and evade detection of their problem by playing games with the submission of their graduate school transcripts, that suggests to me that OP has a loose relationship with honesty to begin with. Here's a lollipop if that sounds self-righteous and hurtful, but that's my opinion.


+1. OP kinda sounds like he would do anything to get what he wants. Plagiarism is really a big deal. I get the impression it was recent, in which case sympathy is a little lacking, and, while being genuine and disclosing is a given, I'm not sure this will gain the OP many points.

sellparkcity
Posts: 4
Joined: Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:38 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby sellparkcity » Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:12 pm

First of all, I love lollipops and would love one.

Second:
I listed the reference and added my own words, but the TA, not even a professor, thought that I should have quotes around all paragraphs that had any words from the listed source.

I might get off with a warning or probation (which I'm praying for) rather than a permanent mark on my transcripts or an expulsion, in which case I'll probably just get a lawyer.

Third:
In reality, my UGPA ended in May of '05. So really it all comes down to the LSAT, no?

letsdoit1982
Posts: 151
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:59 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby letsdoit1982 » Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:21 pm

sellparkcity wrote:First of all, I love lollipops and would love one.

Second:
I listed the reference and added my own words, but the TA, not even a professor, thought that I should have quotes around all paragraphs that had any words from the listed source.

I might get off with a warning or probation (which I'm praying for) rather than a permanent mark on my transcripts or an expulsion, in which case I'll probably just get a lawyer.

Third:
In reality, my UGPA ended in May of '05. So really it all comes down to the LSAT, no?


I hate to say it, but the TA is right. You need quotes around all words that are not your own, unless they're non-specific. If you rephrase, however, you obviously just need to cite it.

cae
Posts: 14
Joined: Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:30 pm

Re: Plagiarism - what are my odds/probability?

Postby cae » Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:23 pm

Anyone remember that girl from Harvard who plagiarized passages in a "young adult" novel she wrote?

Pretty sure she's at GULC now. I think there was a blurb about her in Time magazine a year ago. So it seems if you're mature about it, admit to it, and write a good addendum, it might not totally screw you.




Return to “Law School Admissions Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Yahoo [Bot], zeglo and 5 guests