Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby reasonabledoubt » Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:01 pm

SolarWind wrote:
reasonabledoubt wrote:The pragmatic "conspiracy" label: Shutting down any meaningful dialogue relating to the investigation of how our financial system actually functions since 1913.

No surprises. Predictable. Carry on.




reasonabledoubt wrote:You don't get tapped to be president from the banking/corporate constituency unless you fully understand who you're working for.


Just had to quote it one more time for kicks... :D


Okay SolarWind, would you care to ellaborate on how you might think some of these systems function? How about your world-view, in general? I'm curious.

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby Oblomov » Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:23 pm

reasonabledoubt wrote:The pragmatic "conspiracy" label: Shutting down any meaningful dialogue relating to the investigation of how our financial system actually functions since 1913.

No surprises. Predictable. Carry on.


The blowhard: ruining humor since the first dude with a cleft asshole was born.

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby Nom Sawyer » Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:06 pm

reasonabledoubt wrote:
SolarWind wrote:
reasonabledoubt wrote:The pragmatic "conspiracy" label: Shutting down any meaningful dialogue relating to the investigation of how our financial system actually functions since 1913.

No surprises. Predictable. Carry on.




reasonabledoubt wrote:I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you here. You don't think Obama realizes how many people higher up on the pyramid there are than him? You don't get tapped to be president from the banking/corporate constituency unless you fully understand who you're working for. With that said, POTUS is an extremely elevated role, but by no means the king of the cabal.


Just had to quote it one more time for kicks... :D


Okay SolarWind, would you care to ellaborate on how you might think some of these systems function? How about your world-view, in general? I'm curious.


Sure, these institutions are all about amassing profit.. so they spend millions on lobbyists to push for legislation that will aid them in getting more money, and due to their significant influence sometimes succeed. Further ties are found in the Treasury Dept., former bankers in the Federal Reserve etc. However, many other groups have just as much influence..

What they don't do is sit around on their cabal selecting the next POTUS... hth

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby 09042014 » Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:04 pm

of Benito Cereno wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
reasonabledoubt wrote:Is attending a top 6 to top 14 school similar to a morrissey concert? In other words, full of depressed, morose, unstable, sullenly people wearing black who don't shower often? Does everyone walk around with a subtle, yet undeniable, heir of resentment that they didn't make it into Yale, Harvard, Stanford, etc?

It's a serious question - and I'm giving credit to all T14's in the sense that they surely must have worked reasonably hard to get there. (ug gpa, lsat, w/e, etc) But, is there an lingering sense of "fail" for not making it all the way to the top 5? Do most offset this sense of fail by being an insatiable, friendless gunner for three years in t6 tyo t14's?

I may barely make it into Georgetown, so this thread isn't specifically targeted for me, but I am still curious in case I plan to transfer up after 1L. Anyways, what do you all reckon the predominant dynamics are in the lower end of the T14 world?


The difference between CCN and MVPBDNC is smaller than the difference between YHS and CCN. YHS is like gold, CCN silver, and MVPDNC is like bronze. Silver knows they just barely missed gold, but bronze is just happy they got a medal.

/out of my ass


the difference between CLS and penn or virginia might not be that huge but the difference between CLS and NW, Cornell or Duke is quite another story.

edit: just realized I was posting in a crazy pat buchanan thread.


Actually you have it drop dead backwards. MVPBDNC are peer schools whether USNWR say so or not. The only difference is in which region are they strongest.

http://lawfirmaddict.blogspot.com/2006/ ... ement.html

http://www.leiterrankings.com/jobs/2008job_biglaw.shtml

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby fortissimo » Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:16 pm

Vault 100 Placement
Percentage of class and raw numbers of class placed reported Vault 100 firms.

4 Columbia 80.2%
3 Harvard 74.1%
6 Chicago 71.4%
1 Yale 68.8%
2 Stanford 65.9%
4 NYU 61.2%
11 Duke 55.8%
12 Northwestern 53.1%
7 Penn 49.4%
13 Cornell 43.0%
8 Virginia 41.4%
8 Michigan 41.3%
14 Georgetown 34.4%
16 Texas 28.7%
8 Boalt 27.7%
15 UCLA 19.9%


http://lawfirmaddict.blogspot.com/2006/ ... ement.html

Interesting about the vault 100, but this data is pretty irrelevant ITE. It will be interesting to see how placement proceeds now that schools cannot rely on biglaw.

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby 09042014 » Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:28 pm

fortissimo wrote:
Vault 100 Placement
Percentage of class and raw numbers of class placed reported Vault 100 firms.

4 Columbia 80.2%
3 Harvard 74.1%
6 Chicago 71.4%
1 Yale 68.8%
2 Stanford 65.9%
4 NYU 61.2%
11 Duke 55.8%
12 Northwestern 53.1%
7 Penn 49.4%
13 Cornell 43.0%
8 Virginia 41.4%
8 Michigan 41.3%
14 Georgetown 34.4%
16 Texas 28.7%
8 Boalt 27.7%
15 UCLA 19.9%


http://lawfirmaddict.blogspot.com/2006/ ... ement.html

Interesting about the vault 100, but this data is pretty irrelevant ITE. It will be interesting to see how placement proceeds now that schools cannot rely on biglaw.


While the percentages are not irrelevant, I see no reason to see why UVA would suddenly start out performing Duke.

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby fortissimo » Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:42 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
fortissimo wrote:
Vault 100 Placement
Percentage of class and raw numbers of class placed reported Vault 100 firms.

4 Columbia 80.2%
3 Harvard 74.1%
6 Chicago 71.4%
1 Yale 68.8%
2 Stanford 65.9%
4 NYU 61.2%
11 Duke 55.8%
12 Northwestern 53.1%
7 Penn 49.4%
13 Cornell 43.0%
8 Virginia 41.4%
8 Michigan 41.3%
14 Georgetown 34.4%
16 Texas 28.7%
8 Boalt 27.7%
15 UCLA 19.9%


http://lawfirmaddict.blogspot.com/2006/ ... ement.html

Interesting about the vault 100, but this data is pretty irrelevant ITE. It will be interesting to see how placement proceeds now that schools cannot rely on biglaw.


While the percentages are not irrelevant, I see no reason to see why UVA would suddenly start out performing Duke.


Are you only talking about in terms of biglaw placement? If so, you are probably right. I'm thinking in terms of the overall employment outlook though. I just caution inferring present and future prospects from previous biglaw employment statistics because a substantial amount of people now have to spam secondary markets to get jobs. Schools' overall employment statistics will probably change significantly because, and this is just conjecture, a good amount of employment will probably depend on how many ties the students have with secondary markets. Just conjecture again, but I could see schools where students have more ties with secondary markets faring better in the future and schools where students typically come from one big city doing comparably worse.
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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby rayiner » Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:43 pm

fortissimo wrote:Interesting about the vault 100, but this data is pretty irrelevant ITE. It will be interesting to see how placement proceeds now that schools cannot rely on biglaw.


From the initial reports of 2009 OCI, it seems like all of MVPBDNC are in the "50-60% employed" stage, with CCN doing somewhat better and HLS doing somewhat better than that but still not at 100%.

ITE shows that the attempts to find micro-divisions within the T14 are somewhat misguided...

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby im_blue » Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:49 pm

rayiner wrote:
fortissimo wrote:Interesting about the vault 100, but this data is pretty irrelevant ITE. It will be interesting to see how placement proceeds now that schools cannot rely on biglaw.


From the initial reports of 2009 OCI, it seems like all of MVPBDNC are in the "50-60% employed" stage, with CCN doing somewhat better and HLS doing somewhat better than that but still not at 100%.

ITE shows that the attempts to find micro-divisions within the T13 are somewhat misguided...


FTFY

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby Son of Cicero » Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:19 pm

thorntll wrote:
HopefulLawStud wrote:It is from The Hangover....greatest movie yet.


The way it's spelled doesn't even convey the funniness of it. You have to put the emphasis on the first syllable: "RAH-tard."

I just youtubed the clip. The supposed funniness comes from putting the emphasis on the second syllable. Now I don't know if you're being ironic or a goddamn moran.

OP wrote:Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

That's a pretty optimistic time estimate.




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