Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

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Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby reasonabledoubt » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:44 pm

Is attending a top 6 to top 14 school similar to a morrissey concert? In other words, full of depressed, morose, unstable, sullenly people wearing black who don't shower often? Does everyone walk around with a subtle, yet undeniable, heir of resentment that they didn't make it into Yale, Harvard, Stanford, etc?

It's a serious question - and I'm giving credit to all T14's in the sense that they surely must have worked reasonably hard to get there. (ug gpa, lsat, w/e, etc) But, is there an lingering sense of "fail" for not making it all the way to the top 5? Do most offset this sense of fail by being an insatiable, friendless gunner for three years in t6 tyo t14's?

I may barely make it into Georgetown, so this thread isn't specifically targeted for me, but I am still curious in case I plan to transfer up after 1L. Anyways, what do you all reckon the predominant dynamics are in the lower end of the T14 world?

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby Rowinguy2009 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:50 pm

I'm sure there are people who wish they were at Yale instead of Virginia, I am sure there are people at Cooley who feel on top of the world simply because they got into law school. I really doubt that all the people at some of the best schools in the country walk around with sad little puppy dog eyes because they wish they were sitting in Cambridge. Do some people feel this way? Probably. But I really don't think it's by any means common.

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby jnorsky » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:53 pm

If anyone is really like this, then I feel sorry for them. I still cant believe I got into a T-10 law school, fuck YHS, those people are annoying as shit, too motivated.

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Postby holydonkey » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:54 pm

Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives.

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby Kohinoor » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:57 pm

reasonabledoubt wrote:Is attending a top 6 to top 14 school similar to a morrissey concert? In other words, full of depressed, morose, unstable, sullenly people wearing black who don't shower often? Does everyone walk around with a subtle, yet undeniable, heir of resentment that they didn't make it into Yale, Harvard, Stanford, etc?

It's a serious question - and I'm giving credit to all T14's in the sense that they surely must have worked reasonably hard to get there. (ug gpa, lsat, w/e, etc) But, is there an lingering sense of "fail" for not making it all the way to the top 5? Do most offset this sense of fail by being an insatiable, friendless gunner for three years in t6 tyo t14's?

I may barely make it into Georgetown, so this thread isn't specifically targeted for me, but I am still curious in case I plan to transfer up after 1L. Anyways, what do you all reckon the predominant dynamics are in the lower end of the T14 world?

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby Hopefullawstudent » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:57 pm

I really doubt it. I'm sure there are some here and there, but by and large people will rationalize, develop school pride, and probably completely forget once they realize that they will do just fine if they succeed in school (and the economy recovers).

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Postby 09042014 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:58 pm

reasonabledoubt wrote:Is attending a top 6 to top 14 school similar to a morrissey concert? In other words, full of depressed, morose, unstable, sullenly people wearing black who don't shower often? Does everyone walk around with a subtle, yet undeniable, heir of resentment that they didn't make it into Yale, Harvard, Stanford, etc?

It's a serious question - and I'm giving credit to all T14's in the sense that they surely must have worked reasonably hard to get there. (ug gpa, lsat, w/e, etc) But, is there an lingering sense of "fail" for not making it all the way to the top 5? Do most offset this sense of fail by being an insatiable, friendless gunner for three years in t6 tyo t14's?

I may barely make it into Georgetown, so this thread isn't specifically targeted for me, but I am still curious in case I plan to transfer up after 1L. Anyways, what do you all reckon the predominant dynamics are in the lower end of the T14 world?


The difference between CCN and MVPBDNC is smaller than the difference between YHS and CCN. YHS is like gold, CCN silver, and MVPDNC is like bronze. Silver knows they just barely missed gold, but bronze is just happy they got a medal.

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Postby 4910 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:00 pm

i believe the term cognitive dissonance is appropriate. but in all seriousness, i would never be friends with a douche who uses his school's prestige to build himself up, there is more to life than the school you go to (i know it is a cliche but it is still true)

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby underachiever » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:04 pm

No, most at Penn could have been at CCN but decided on P for some reason. While there is talk here and there about people wanting to transfer to H or Y, I would 95% are really happy to be here (as happy to be in law school as one can be) and I would say im in this club. I mean i wanted to go to Harvard Law, but 99% of people do and thats just because of the name recognition, not for any real reason. Once i got my LSAT i focused on whats the best school for me and i know after being here for a few months that i found it

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby LSlobbyist » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:06 pm

Shrug. It's all about self-perception. Robert Kennedy was a Virginia Law alumnus. Earl Warren went to Berkeley Law. And on the other hand, William Jefferson (the Louisiana congressman convicted on bribery charges) was a Harvard Law alumnus. Granted, these are isolated examples, but they can also serve to demonstrate that within the top 20 schools or so, it's not always about where you go, but what you do while there and how you ultimately decide to use your degree. If you're going to one of these schools, you've been presented with an unbelievable opportunity--one that you shouldn't take for granted.

God help you if you need the name of a school in the top 5 (which, by the way, is determined by a highly disputed formula by a magazine--something that you already knew, but something to keep in mind when looking at this) to validate the worth of your degree.

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby bitlrc » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:08 pm

i'm sure it's the same as it is at every school. there are some for whom the school was a target or a reach and they are very happy to be there, and there are some who were relegated to that school as a safety, and they're clearly convinced that their application was inadvertently rejected by some higher ranking school.

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby rayiner » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:08 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
reasonabledoubt wrote:Is attending a top 6 to top 14 school similar to a morrissey concert? In other words, full of depressed, morose, unstable, sullenly people wearing black who don't shower often? Does everyone walk around with a subtle, yet undeniable, heir of resentment that they didn't make it into Yale, Harvard, Stanford, etc?

It's a serious question - and I'm giving credit to all T14's in the sense that they surely must have worked reasonably hard to get there. (ug gpa, lsat, w/e, etc) But, is there an lingering sense of "fail" for not making it all the way to the top 5? Do most offset this sense of fail by being an insatiable, friendless gunner for three years in t6 tyo t14's?

I may barely make it into Georgetown, so this thread isn't specifically targeted for me, but I am still curious in case I plan to transfer up after 1L. Anyways, what do you all reckon the predominant dynamics are in the lower end of the T14 world?


The difference between CCN and MVPBDNC is smaller than the difference between YHS and CCN. YHS is like gold, CCN silver, and MVPDNC is like bronze. Silver knows they just barely missed gold, but bronze is just happy they got a medal.

/out of my ass


I agree with this. The people with the biggest chips on their shoulder are probably folks at CLS, because they just barely missed HLS (likely by 0.1 GPA points or so). And the "girl at a bar" prestige gap between HLS and Columbia is enormous. Meanwhile, I can't imagine there are too many people at Duke upset over barely missing Virginia...

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby ATOIsp07 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:14 pm

:roll:

this is really a sad question, even by TLS standards.

if you truly wish to practice law, it is not a failure.
if you want to go to law school, it's not a failure.
if you want to attend an elite law school, it is not a failure.
if you believe the economy will recover, it is not a failure.

as a matter of fact, I don't consider it a failure, even after the next three years, if somebody decides to attend a T2 or even a T3 (there are some good ones out there, you know). get off your high horse (assuming you've already been admitted into a T6-T14) and quit being a numbers whore/bitch.

I really do think more people on TLS want to go to law school to command a higher starting salary than most fields as opposed for truly wanting to utilize the knowledge of law for some greater good.

this question is BS!

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby reasonabledoubt » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:17 pm

ATOIsp07 wrote::roll:

this is really a sad question, even by TLS standards.

if you truly wish to practice law, it is not a failure.
if you want to go to law school, it's not a failure.
if you want to attend an elite law school, it is not a failure.
if you believe the economy will recover, it is not a failure.

as a matter of fact, I don't consider it a failure, even after the next three years, if somebody decides to attend a T2 or even a T3 (there are some good ones out there, you know). get off your high horse (assuming you've already been admitted into a T6-T14) and quit being a numbers whore/bitch.

I really do think more people on TLS want to go to law school to command a higher starting salary than most fields as opposed for truly wanting to utilize the knowledge of law for some greater good.

this question is BS!


Umm, I hate to point out the obvious, but your rant about how terrible of a question mine was didn't even answer the question. It was a specific question focused on a specific dynamic for a specific group. Your response is similar to saying that every thread in TLS is a stupid question or inquiry because it doesn't appeal to a generalized sensibility. I would consider an edit (edit: delete) or you may be mocked for such a brash, ridiculous and overgeneralized response.

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby ATOIsp07 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:27 pm

reasonabledoubt wrote:
ATOIsp07 wrote::roll:

this is really a sad question, even by TLS standards.

if you truly wish to practice law, it is not a failure.
if you want to go to law school, it's not a failure.
if you want to attend an elite law school, it is not a failure.
if you believe the economy will recover, it is not a failure.

as a matter of fact, I don't consider it a failure, even after the next three years, if somebody decides to attend a T2 or even a T3 (there are some good ones out there, you know). get off your high horse (assuming you've already been admitted into a T6-T14) and quit being a numbers whore/bitch.

I really do think more people on TLS want to go to law school to command a higher starting salary than most fields as opposed for truly wanting to utilize the knowledge of law for some greater good.

this question is BS!


Umm, I hate to point out the obvious, but your rant about how terrible of a question mine was didn't even answer the question. It was a specific question focused on a specific dynamic for a specific group. Your response is similar to saying that every thread in TLS is a stupid question or inquiry because it doesn't appeal to a generalized sensibility. I would consider an edit (edit: delete) or you may be mocked for such a brash, ridiculous and overgeneralized response.


actually, if you had decent Reading Comprehension skills, you would see that, in my response, I had answered your question 4 times. of course, as you've just proven, it is unlikely that you'll be admitted into a T6-T14 since you could not deduce my response to your lame question. And, I'll say it again for the record in case you still can't find my answer, IT WOULD NOT BE A FAILURE ATTENDING A T6-T14.

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby Bosque » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:27 pm

What? Hell no. We like our school and we are happy to be here. This thread is silly. You are silly.

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby reasonabledoubt » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:28 pm

ATOIsp07 wrote:
reasonabledoubt wrote:
ATOIsp07 wrote::roll:

this is really a sad question, even by TLS standards.

if you truly wish to practice law, it is not a failure.
if you want to go to law school, it's not a failure.
if you want to attend an elite law school, it is not a failure.
if you believe the economy will recover, it is not a failure.

as a matter of fact, I don't consider it a failure, even after the next three years, if somebody decides to attend a T2 or even a T3 (there are some good ones out there, you know). get off your high horse (assuming you've already been admitted into a T6-T14) and quit being a numbers whore/bitch.

I really do think more people on TLS want to go to law school to command a higher starting salary than most fields as opposed for truly wanting to utilize the knowledge of law for some greater good.

this question is BS!


Umm, I hate to point out the obvious, but your rant about how terrible of a question mine was didn't even answer the question. It was a specific question focused on a specific dynamic for a specific group. Your response is similar to saying that every thread in TLS is a stupid question or inquiry because it doesn't appeal to a generalized sensibility. I would consider an edit (edit: delete) or you may be mocked for such a brash, ridiculous and overgeneralized response.


actually, if you had decent Reading Comprehension skills, you would see that, in my response, I had answered your question 4 times. of course, as you've just proven, it is unlikely that you'll be admitted into a T6-T14 since you could not deduce my response to your lame question. And, I'll say it again for the record in case you still can't find my answer, IT WOULD NOT BE A FAILURE ATTENDING A T6-T14.



You're a ratard.

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby Alexandria » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:29 pm

rayiner wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
reasonabledoubt wrote:Is attending a top 6 to top 14 school similar to a morrissey concert? In other words, full of depressed, morose, unstable, sullenly people wearing black who don't shower often? Does everyone walk around with a subtle, yet undeniable, heir of resentment that they didn't make it into Yale, Harvard, Stanford, etc?

It's a serious question - and I'm giving credit to all T14's in the sense that they surely must have worked reasonably hard to get there. (ug gpa, lsat, w/e, etc) But, is there an lingering sense of "fail" for not making it all the way to the top 5? Do most offset this sense of fail by being an insatiable, friendless gunner for three years in t6 tyo t14's?

I may barely make it into Georgetown, so this thread isn't specifically targeted for me, but I am still curious in case I plan to transfer up after 1L. Anyways, what do you all reckon the predominant dynamics are in the lower end of the T14 world?


The difference between CCN and MVPBDNC is smaller than the difference between YHS and CCN. YHS is like gold, CCN silver, and MVPDNC is like bronze. Silver knows they just barely missed gold, but bronze is just happy they got a medal.

/out of my ass


I agree with this. The people with the biggest chips on their shoulder are probably folks at CLS, because they just barely missed HLS (likely by 0.1 GPA points or so). And the "girl at a bar" prestige gap between HLS and Columbia is enormous. Meanwhile, I can't imagine there are too many people at Duke upset over barely missing Virginia...


I kinda like this analogy too.

Anyway, to the OP, definitely not. I think people generally regard Y and H as being the best and recognizing that most of our profs come from those places, but beyond that, people really don't seem to think about or compare our school to other top schools. There are tons and tons of people at MVPB who got into CCN and chose not to go for whatever reason. While the average stats of the latter group may be higher, there's tons of overlap in there (just as there is between MVPB and DCGN or whatever grouping you prefer).

I think the "go to the highest ranked school you get into" is something of an Internet phenomenon that most law students have never exactly been exposed to (at least in its most absolutist form). I also think that even on the Internet, this T5 or T6 worship is a relatively recent phenomenon.

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby ATOIsp07 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:38 pm

reasonabledoubt wrote:You're a ratard.


Retard is spelled with an "e", not an "a", retard!

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Postby reasonabledoubt » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:40 pm

ATOIsp07 wrote:
reasonabledoubt wrote:You're a ratard.


Retard is spelled with an "e", not an "a", retard!


You're a humorless ratard.

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby stratocophic » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:41 pm

ATOIsp07 wrote:
reasonabledoubt wrote:You're a ratard.


Retard is spelled with an "e", not an "a", retard!


Pop culture fail.

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby ATOIsp07 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:42 pm

barrinmb wrote:
ATOIsp07 wrote:
reasonabledoubt wrote:You're a ratard.


Retard is spelled with an "e", not an "a", retard!


Pop culture fail.



fair enough...but I haven't seen/heard whatever that is from...either way, the OP is still a retard...WTF kinda question is that?

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby booboo » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:42 pm

ATOIsp07 wrote:
reasonabledoubt wrote:You're a ratard.


Retard is spelled with an "e", not an "a", retard!


Seriously?

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby reasonabledoubt » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:42 pm

barrinmb wrote:
ATOIsp07 wrote:
reasonabledoubt wrote:You're a ratard.


Retard is spelled with an "e", not an "a", retard!


Pop culture fail.


+8675309

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Re: Do T-6 to t-14's feel like failures for 3 years?

Postby slider » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:43 pm

booboo wrote:
ATOIsp07 wrote:
reasonabledoubt wrote:You're a ratard.


Retard is spelled with an "e", not an "a", retard!


Seriously?


Hilarious.




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