ENGINEERD wrote:I know I am bias because I am an engineering major but it is retarded to argue that any liberal arts major is as hard as electrical engineering. (Which is not my major) Just take a look into any senior level electrical engineer text book and see if you can understand any of it. I certainly can pick up a political science text book and understand at least some part of it. It would be nice if all majors were created equal but they are not so give credit where it is due.
This is a fun argument. Following this logic should I presume that, say, Chinese is the most difficult topic to study in a university because I couldn't pick up even an introductory
text book and make sense of it?
I think you sort of destroyed the analogy here. This guy is an engineering major. S/he learned all the fundamentals of engineering (calc 1-4, mechanics, circuit theory, calc-based physics, probably chemistry, and depending on which type of engineering he may have background in electronics and signals), and couldn't understand any EE. Why? Because level 500+ EE courses go into mathematical concepts that are HARD. I was an EE major. When I would walk into a class like "Introduction to Photonics," I would have no fucking clue what was going on. None. Zero. I was typically an A student. In order to understand the 12 pages of derivations that draw on every single foundations class I ever took, I had to attend office hours at every possible timeslot, and absolutely work my balls off to gain mild understanding. Walking into a chinese classroom totally falls out of the analogy because I have no foundation whatsoever in chinese.
This all being said, I got an A- in the class. How? EE is curved, so yes, getting higher grades in the subject matter is still possible by edging out the class. In a high-level class like Photonics, a mild understanding was more than most people could muster and thus an A- was attainable with understanding 60% of the subject matter. That doesn't make it easy.
My point above is that the college of engineering at my school, and seemingly many schools, curves lower than the college of liberal arts. Again, I'll draw on dean's list cutoffs for freshman year (posted earlier): 3.23 versus 3.55, respectively.
If on average, a liberal arts student in the top 30% had a .32 gpa higher than an engineering student in the top 30% of the class, then there is an indisputable punishment GPA-wise for those taking engineering courses. We don't really care about the GPA disparity, because the industry is going to pay us whether we have a 2.2 or a 3.7 since we all have marketable skills. However, it's nice that law schools might be more apt to accept a guy with a 3.2 in EE than a 3.2 in political science, because the guy in EE had to fight a lot more curves and beat out a lot more students for that grade than a political science student did.
This is why it is justified. While yes, engineering is harder than liberal arts (indisputably), that isn't why engineers should be given a boost in admissions. It's because engineers GPAs are indisputably lower than liberal arts kids GPAs for the same class ranks within their respective colleges. Again, the boost is extremely limited (i.e., it doesnt appear to go beyond choosing the 170/3.2 with an EE degree over a 170/3.21 with a political science degree), but it's certainly warranted to those engineering students who prove their GPA was a product of the curve by obtaining a high LSAT score.
This is on a tangential line, but just to stir the pot: To argue that a degree in anything including political science, history, philosophy, anthropology and the like was as hard as this is completely ignorant. The world of employment realizes this (average STARTING salary for a fresh graduate in EE: $55,000. average salary of an average american: ~$40,000). If anyone could do it, EVERYONE would do it because the job security of the degree is unmatched. Anyone who's taken a simple economics class knows that if a profession is profitable, it quickly becomes oversaturated, becomes less profitable, and finds an equilibrium. Unfortunatley, most people don't have what it takes to flood the engineering market. I started college on an "engineering floor" in the dorms. By the time I moved on to sophomore year, of the 15 people I spoke to on the floor, only myself and one other student hadn't dropped out.