The deal with merit fee waivers

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The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby PunjabiLower » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:13 pm

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby Snoopy1216 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:19 pm

PunjabiLower wrote:How do merit fee waivers work? Do they send them out to applicants with numbers greater than the medians, 75th percentiles?

Let's just say I have a 3.84 LSDAS and I want fee waivers from George Mason, William and Mary, and Washington in St. Louis. I'm above their GPA 75th percentiles...but what kind of LSAT would I need? I'm guessing around 163-166? Have you ever seen a school send a fee waiver to an applicant with GPA above 75th and a LSAT below 25th?


From what I have experienced, it is really arbitrary. Just because you are in a school's median (or even way above it) that does not mean you will get a fee waiver. I am not sure what kind of information schools have access to on LSAC, but I quickly learned that fee waivers are subjective.

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby k77 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:20 pm

George Mason automatically waives the app fee if you apply online I believe.

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby Lonagan » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:21 pm

According to your profile you have 172 / 3.8. If those are your numbers you should be getting merit waivers wherever you want them.

I am surprised you have not gotten WUSTL and WM via CRS with those numbers.

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby vanwinkle » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:22 pm

It varies widely from school to school. UVA seems to hand them out like candy in the hopes of boosting their applicant numbers, knowing full well they'll reject most of the people who use them.

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby PunjabiLower » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:26 pm

can you see a 3.8-3.85, (below 163 LSAT) getting CRS(unsolicited) fee waivers from william mary and WASHUSTL?

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby Lonagan » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:28 pm

I am curious why you just deleted your LSAT score from your profile.

At any rate, both of those schools appear to have done their Post-December CRS sweep. At least, I got CRS waivers (as well as earlier solicited ones) from both schools after the December test.

Also, why not just solicit them? Any special reason you want unsolicited waivers?

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby ddav87 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:29 pm

W&M yes i received one and am well below both medians.

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby PunjabiLower » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:39 pm

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby yeff » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:45 pm

Wait - you're guessing your LSAT score via what fee waivers you are receiving, instead of...checking your LSAT score?

:?:

I'm not suggesting you need to reveal anything you don't want to reveal, but my imagination is really being strained here.

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby PunjabiLower » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:50 pm

I just think it will be more interesting to never check my LSAT. When my acceptances/rejections roll in, it'll just be interesting. I don't want to expect acceptances/rejections based on LSP. I'd rather they come randomly in my mailbox. Makes it exciting. I also am not checking my score for a personal reason I don't wish to disclose.

I'm hoping for the 163-166 range. If I got emails/fee waivers from those schools, you think I hit that range?

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby Lonagan » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:51 pm

And part of your guessing process was to type '172' into your profile, and then erase it when someone mentioned it? That's a nifty guessing process. It begs credulity to believe that you care enough about your LSAT score to invest this much effort in figuring it out, but care so little about applying to law school that you would do so without actually knowing your score.

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby PunjabiLower » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:59 pm

Oh yeah sorry one of my cousins shares the same profile so he must have put his numbers on here.

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby OneSixtySix » Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:28 am

PunjabiLower wrote:Oh yeah sorry one of my cousins shares the same profile so he must have put his numbers on here.


Classic internet excuse.

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby Lonagan » Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:37 am

That was a predictable direction for this thread to go in.

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby calicocat » Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:39 am

Lonagan wrote:That was a predictable direction for this thread to go in.

Everything is predictable on TLS

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby PunjabiLower » Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:43 am

OneSixtySix wrote:
PunjabiLower wrote:Oh yeah sorry one of my cousins shares the same profile so he must have put his numbers on here.


Classic internet excuse.


Because something may have occurred or may even have been a trend in the past, does not make it definitely true in the future?

Isn't that an LSAT reasoning flaw?

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby Lonagan » Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:46 am

Isn't attempting to figure out your LSAT score by looking at which fee waivers you received instead of just looking at the score e-mail or LSAC page an LSAT reasoning flaw?

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby PunjabiLower » Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:58 am

Lonagan wrote:Isn't attempting to figure out your LSAT score by looking at which fee waivers you received instead of just looking at the score e-mail or LSAC page an LSAT reasoning flaw?


what kind of reasoning flaw is it?

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby Lonagan » Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:08 am

PunjabiLower wrote:
Lonagan wrote:Isn't attempting to figure out your LSAT score by looking at which fee waivers you received instead of just looking at the score e-mail or LSAC page an LSAT reasoning flaw?


what kind of reasoning flaw is it?


I know you put a question mark after that, but is that really a question?

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby OneSixtySix » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:35 pm

PunjabiLower wrote:
OneSixtySix wrote:
PunjabiLower wrote:Oh yeah sorry one of my cousins shares the same profile so he must have put his numbers on here.


Classic internet excuse.


Because something may have occurred or may even have been a trend in the past, does not make it definitely true in the future?

Isn't that an LSAT reasoning flaw?


Let me clarify.

Its 99.9% likely your excuse is completely made up. Its 2010, who would "use" somebody else's personal log in info, when its just as easy to register his own name? If your "cousin" just wanted to rummage through the boards, he could have. However this cousin deemed it necessary to enter specific and personal information on a profile function I dont even know how to access, and I've been registered for about six months.


LSAT logic-proofed.

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby PunjabiLower » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:06 am

OneSixtySix wrote:
PunjabiLower wrote:
OneSixtySix wrote:
PunjabiLower wrote:Oh yeah sorry one of my cousins shares the same profile so he must have put his numbers on here.


Classic internet excuse.


Because something may have occurred or may even have been a trend in the past, does not make it definitely true in the future?

Isn't that an LSAT reasoning flaw?


Let me clarify.

Its 99.9% likely your excuse is completely made up. Its 2010, who would "use" somebody else's personal log in info, when its just as easy to register his own name? If your "cousin" just wanted to rummage through the boards, he could have. However this cousin deemed it necessary to enter specific and personal information on a profile function I dont even know how to access, and I've been registered for about six months.


LSAT logic-proofed.



Is it possible he didn't want to just "rummage" through boards and that he may want to ask questions of his own? Is it also possible he was too lazy to create his own profile by registering it through his own email address?

I guess we all find fails in others.

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby gabewatch » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:25 am

wouldnt the application process just be easier if you knew your lsat score because that is the most important factor? also i got fee waivers from a wide range of schools, and its obvious that some of these schools want to raise their number of applicants, while others have accepted me with money.

i just cant imagine going through a grueling exam that will determine my future, and not checking my score

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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby PunjabiLower » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:34 am

gabewatch wrote:wouldnt the application process just be easier if you knew your lsat score because that is the most important factor? also i got fee waivers from a wide range of schools, and its obvious that some of these schools want to raise their number of applicants, while others have accepted me with money.

i just cant imagine going through a grueling exam that will determine my future, and not checking my score


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Re: The deal with merit fee waivers

Postby Marisa5252 » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:42 am

gabewatch wrote:wouldnt the application process just be easier if you knew your lsat score because that is the most important factor? also i got fee waivers from a wide range of schools, and its obvious that some of these schools want to raise their number of applicants, while others have accepted me with money.

i just cant imagine going through a grueling exam that will determine my future, and not checking my score



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