Space_Cowboy wrote: dresden doll wrote:
I agree, not in the sense that I think you're an asshole--obviously, on a personal level, people should make smart choices--but in the sense that we (Americans) don't make policy-level decisions with this "you did it to yourself/it's your own fault" mindset. I think we should protect people from their own stupid decisions, especially when those decisions are completely untenable under almost any circumstances (e.g., $160K in debt for a Florida Coastal JD).
Actually, we kind of do. Granted, I'm not an American but that's one of the reasons I'm fond of the country.
I don't believe in protecting people from their own stupidities if the case is such that valid info was out there and accessible with reasonable ease. To take your Florida Coastal example, info re: how much the school sucks is both out there and only a few Google clicks away. It's up to a would be LS student to get it.
I'd be more sympathetic if T3/T4s provided complete and accurate information. They usually just present a rosy picture with incomplete data. Attaching good employment data to loan paperwork, along with projected repayment schedules, should be a prerequisite to a school's eligibility for receiving GradPLUS loans.
No, no. I'm not saying be sympathetic to the schools
--I really, seriously think that the ABA should not continue to accredit about 10-15 of these schools--I'm saying be sympathetic (at least in policy formation, if not personal feelings) to the students
; and what you cited is a perfect reason to be so. You've also got to consider that many prospective T3/T4 students are not that bright (they're not necessarily idiots, but nor are they even always above-average college students) to begin with, and then are blinded by their (often) extreme desire to go to LS, and jump at the LS-provided employment and salary "data" as all the justification they need to pull the trigger on the decision they desperately wanted to make anyway. T4 schools ruthlessly exploit these students, 15-25% of whom they then expel a year (and $40K in tuition) later.
And debt is complicated: most TLSers are literally MENSA material
, and yet it is still the one topic on which people say the most retarded things (e.g., "$160K isn't that bad; I figure it's just like a mortgage, and most people have those").