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Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:02 am
by Space_Cowboy
sam.emton wrote:Agreed - it's like a binding version of Duke's PT.
This is definitely not fair to me - I've been waiting for over 3 months for a decision. My stats are above their 75ths but it's one of my top choices and I haven't heard anything. I would ED, but I really need $$$ to select them over some of my acceptances. Do you think late EDs have any shot at good scholarship $$$? Will this hurt RD applicants waiting for a decision?
To you? Spare me.
I personally know of a UVA ED applicant (in-state) with a 175+ who got $30k/yr.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:03 am
by jawsthegreat
kurama20 wrote:jawsthegreat wrote:kurama20 wrote:WOW. This means that people's predictions about this admissions cycle must have been off.
Yea I agree but I am struggling with how they might be off. Care to enlighten me?
No I'm with you. The cycle is obviously different from what people expected, but I'm just not exactly sure how. I'm with talib too, if it wasn't for the fact that the only schools I would have picked over UVA were HYS, and I had not shot at those schools, I'd be pissed right now.
Yea if I didn't love UVA as much as I did and I just ED to try to lock up a T14 spot I would be pretty pissed right now. Luckily I love UVA and am only mildly disconcerted.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:04 am
by Space_Cowboy
CE2JD wrote:Trujillo is such a maverick. What is he up to now? Essentially he's playing a giant game of chicken with other law schools. Now other law schools will have crappier yields from people who apply regular decision knowing they're basically a lock for UVA ED.
^^ This. I love the move. Get off your f-ing ass and admit me Michigan!
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:04 am
by jawsthegreat
Space_Cowboy wrote:sam.emton wrote:Agreed - it's like a binding version of Duke's PT.
This is definitely not fair to me - I've been waiting for over 3 months for a decision. My stats are above their 75ths but it's one of my top choices and I haven't heard anything. I would ED, but I really need $$$ to select them over some of my acceptances. Do you think late EDs have any shot at good scholarship $$$? Will this hurt RD applicants waiting for a decision?
To you? Spare me.
I personally know of a UVA ED applicant (in-state) with a 175+ who got $30k/yr.
Yea, to be fair they do seem to be fair in giving out money to ED applicants if you have the numbers.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:05 am
by jawsthegreat
Space_Cowboy wrote:CE2JD wrote:Trujillo is such a maverick. What is he up to now? Essentially he's playing a giant game of chicken with other law schools. Now other law schools will have crappier yields from people who apply regular decision knowing they're basically a lock for UVA ED.
^^ This. I love the move. Get off your f-ing ass and admit me Michigan!
Yea lol, Michigan and Penn are going to get raped by this.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:06 am
by Jay-Electronica
Nice move......UVA!
....Check!
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:06 am
by Space_Cowboy
jawsthegreat wrote:Space_Cowboy wrote:CE2JD wrote:Trujillo is such a maverick. What is he up to now? Essentially he's playing a giant game of chicken with other law schools. Now other law schools will have crappier yields from people who apply regular decision knowing they're basically a lock for UVA ED.
^^ This. I love the move. Get off your f-ing ass and admit me Michigan!
Yea lol, Michigan and Penn are going to get raped by this.
If it wasn't for their garbage about having to start in the summer, I would have EDed to Michigan.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:09 am
by 09042014
Space_Cowboy wrote:jawsthegreat wrote:kurama20 wrote:WOW. This means that people's predictions about this admissions cycle must have been off.
Yea I agree but I am struggling with how they might be off. Care to enlighten me?
Locked in too many 170s when it looks like could have gone for a 171 median?
I didn't understand there ED strategy at all. Using ED with a 15 day turn around to make numbers gain? Genius. But then they were aiming just to keep last years numbers. And this was supposed to be the year everyone and their mother went to law school.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:10 am
by APimpNamedSlickback
i think the value of a well-written why mich or why penn essay just went up by several multiples. i guess if you can make it clear that you're committed to them, you could really up your chances.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:10 am
by sam.emton
jawsthegreat wrote: Yea, to be fair they do seem to be fair in giving out money to ED applicants if you have the numbers.
What are "the numbers"? Last year about 2/3 of folks with similar numbers to me got some money (no full rides), but none were ED.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:12 am
by Space_Cowboy
Desert Fox wrote:Space_Cowboy wrote:jawsthegreat wrote:kurama20 wrote:WOW. This means that people's predictions about this admissions cycle must have been off.
Yea I agree but I am struggling with how they might be off. Care to enlighten me?
Locked in too many 170s when it looks like could have gone for a 171 median?
I didn't understand there ED strategy at all. Using ED with a 15 day turn around to make numbers gain? Genius. But then they were aiming just to keep last years numbers. And this was supposed to be the year everyone and their mother went to law school.
To be fair, on average, you need a 30% spike in applicants to move (EDIT: LSAT) medians a point. Its much easier to lock in the 170 and move the GPA median instead. Shoot for the 171 next year if you were close this year.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:13 am
by joeshmo39
I was admitted ED in October and don't really care as this won't affect me, but I wanted to stop in and say WTF all the same.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:14 am
by jawsthegreat
Space_Cowboy wrote:
To be fair, on average, you need a 30% spike in applicants to move (EDIT: LSAT) medians a point. Its much easier to lock in the 170 and move the GPA median instead. Shoot for the 171 next year if you were close this year.
I don't understand.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:17 am
by Space_Cowboy
jawsthegreat wrote:Space_Cowboy wrote:
To be fair, on average, you need a 30% spike in applicants to move (EDIT: LSAT) medians a point. Its much easier to lock in the 170 and move the GPA median instead. Shoot for the 171 next year if you were close this year.
I don't understand.
The 30% part?
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:19 am
by CE2JD
Desert Fox wrote:Space_Cowboy wrote:jawsthegreat wrote:kurama20 wrote:WOW. This means that people's predictions about this admissions cycle must have been off.
Yea I agree but I am struggling with how they might be off. Care to enlighten me?
Locked in too many 170s when it looks like could have gone for a 171 median?
I didn't understand there ED strategy at all. Using ED with a 15 day turn around to make numbers gain? Genius. But then they were aiming just to keep last years numbers. And this was supposed to be the year everyone and their mother went to law school.
Uhh... do you know how few people get above a 170? The number of people who get 170s is likely the same as the number of people getting above a 170.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:21 am
by jawsthegreat
Space_Cowboy wrote:jawsthegreat wrote:Space_Cowboy wrote:
To be fair, on average, you need a 30% spike in applicants to move (EDIT: LSAT) medians a point. Its much easier to lock in the 170 and move the GPA median instead. Shoot for the 171 next year if you were close this year.
I don't understand.
The 30% part?
Yes, I have no idea what that mean, enlighten me plz.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:21 am
by superserial
shady.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:22 am
by Space_Cowboy
jawsthegreat wrote:Space_Cowboy wrote:jawsthegreat wrote:Space_Cowboy wrote:
To be fair, on average, you need a 30% spike in applicants to move (EDIT: LSAT) medians a point. Its much easier to lock in the 170 and move the GPA median instead. Shoot for the 171 next year if you were close this year.
I don't understand.
The 30% part?
Yes, I have no idea what that mean, enlighten me plz.
So rayiner (I think) had a better post on this (applicant volume v. medians), but this is something similar (
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p1837282).
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:24 am
by jawsthegreat
I guess that makes sense.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:25 am
by ruleser
jawsthegreat wrote:dakatz wrote:Looks like they are just trying to squeeze money and yield out of insecure RD applicants (such as myself) who they have already strung along for 2-3 months without a word.
If that is the goal it is going to work.
+1
This strikes me more as worry about matriculation rates/$$$ than an ap issues. Either that or they were expecting a bunch of superior people to come out of the Dec test, and instead a lot of the high scores were just retakers or people applying next cycle or mainly high GPA'ers who will likely go above UVA, who knows, but something off obviously that freaked them out.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:26 am
by booboo
Roughly equating, I think there are 1000 170 scorers, and 3000 >170 scorers.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:26 am
by UF Gators
I don't care what their reasons are, I am applying ED!
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:27 am
by nycparalegal
edit: The previous sentence didn't make sense.
So exactly who benefits from this extension?
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:28 am
by jawsthegreat
One thing is for sure it is not going to be as easy to predict ED applicants as it was before they extended the deadline.
A 3.85 or a 170 is probably not a guarantee any more.
Re: UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:29 am
by Space_Cowboy
nycparalegal wrote:So who exactly does this extension benefit?
170+s with no T10 acceptance on March 1, 11:59 PM (EST).