Marijuana-Themed PS Draft (Revised). Feedback Appreciated.

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Postby poptart123 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:41 pm

Do this and let us know your outcomes

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Postby TakeItToTrial » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:46 pm

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TakeItToTrial wrote:Thanks to everyone for the responses. I think I'll attack the topic from a different angle and see if I can some up with something worth sending.


Sounds like a plan, but I really suggest brainstorming some other PS possibilities and don't pigeon-hole yourself to this by not being willing to move on until it's too late.


Yeah, I won't spend too long on it. Worst case scenario, I'll have an alternate statement to send to a couple reach schools.


You should start from scratch with a different topic. Don't mention a schedule I drug in your PS. It would show poor judgment to write about this. Even an admissions office that is sympathetic to you would think you are showing poor judgment. A PS won't help you much in the admissions process, but writing about committing a federal crime could certainly hurt you.

ETA: UW, which appears to have the CLPP, is a good school for this essay. But unless a school has a program like this, keep weed out of you PS. Good luck!


I wrote this with UW's CLPP in mind, but UW is my first choice, so I'm somewhat hesitant to send them a risky PS.


I don't think it's risky because UW has the CLPP. They have it on their website. It would be risky anywhere that doesn't explicitly have a marijuana program.


My numbers suggest I should be easily admitted to UW. Even though they have the CLPP, I'm worried sending this could be an unnecessary risk. I also have a couple juvenile alcohol-related offenses on my record. Don't want to reinforce the idea I have poor judgment/am a party animal.

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Postby ArtistOfManliness » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:50 pm

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personofinterest wrote:
TakeItToTrial wrote:
personofinterest wrote:
TakeItToTrial wrote:
ArtistOfManliness wrote:
TakeItToTrial wrote:Thanks to everyone for the responses. I think I'll attack the topic from a different angle and see if I can some up with something worth sending.


Sounds like a plan, but I really suggest brainstorming some other PS possibilities and don't pigeon-hole yourself to this by not being willing to move on until it's too late.


Yeah, I won't spend too long on it. Worst case scenario, I'll have an alternate statement to send to a couple reach schools.


You should start from scratch with a different topic. Don't mention a schedule I drug in your PS. It would show poor judgment to write about this. Even an admissions office that is sympathetic to you would think you are showing poor judgment. A PS won't help you much in the admissions process, but writing about committing a federal crime could certainly hurt you.

ETA: UW, which appears to have the CLPP, is a good school for this essay. But unless a school has a program like this, keep weed out of you PS. Good luck!


I wrote this with UW's CLPP in mind, but UW is my first choice, so I'm somewhat hesitant to send them a risky PS.


I don't think it's risky because UW has the CLPP. They have it on their website. It would be risky anywhere that doesn't explicitly have a marijuana program.


My numbers suggest I should be easily admitted to UW. Even though they have the CLPP, I'm worried sending this could be an unnecessary risk. I also have a couple juvenile alcohol-related offenses on my record. Don't want to reinforce the idea I have poor judgment/am a party animal.


Remember how dumb AF I thought a marijuana-themed essay was? Even I am fine with it getting sent to UW. To them, it'll kinda read like a school-specific PS.

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Postby TakeItToTrial » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:00 pm

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Mullens wrote:Marijuana law is a growing field (no pun intended) and not just in states that have legalized it. Its an issue in every state that has legal medical marijuana and will likely become even larger in the future. You may very well be able to build an early career in it with your background.

With that said, I agree that it might be too risky of a PS. I think it's possible for this topic to result in a good essay for schools in states where marijuana is legalized. I would stay away from the topic for schools in states that might have a less liberal attitude towards marijuana. If you're a reach for a school, I could see this possibly helping you if it's very well done (very narrow line here).


Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. The cannabis attorneys I've spoken with say the practice is exciting because they are pioneering a new field of law.

If I approach the topic correctly, I could see it potentially helping me at some reach schools as well.


The way admissions works for non-URMs is that all that matters is your LSAT and GPA. Unless you are an Olympian or something else extraordinary, then you will be evaluated almost exclusively on your stats. Your PS draft from above is not "outstanding" from the perspective of an admissions department, so it won't help you with your reach schools. If you want to get into a reach school, retake the LSAT.


I agree the this PS draft is not outstanding. It needs serious revision, perhaps even a total overhaul. The idea that to be a unique applicant you must be URM/Olympian/astronaut may hold true 95% of the time, but I don't think it is always the case.

I think having experience in a newly emerging field of law could be relevant to some adcomms.

Not saying it's going to work at reach schools, just that I may have a better chance than if I were to send a traditional PS.

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Postby TakeItToTrial » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:08 pm

poptart123 wrote:Do this and let us know your outcomes


You owe me a dime bag If I get into Berkeley.

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Postby TakeItToTrial » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:22 pm

Revised my marijuana-themed PS. I tried to explain the internship, discuss my takeaways, and explain how this experience puts me in a position to make a unique contribution to the student body/law school community. Any feedback is appreciated. (First three paragraphs are the same as last draft)


I had no idea what to expect when I took a job working for a cannabis farm. Ever since cannabis became legalized in the Pacific Northwest, I had been intrigued by this expanding sector of business and newly emerging area of law. After hearing the CEO of HiFi Farms speak at a local economic alliance panel, I emailed her directly to express my interest in becoming involved with her company.

I began researching HiFi Farms and became even more excited about the possibility of working there after finding multiple articles praising the company in newspapers and reputable business magazines. HiFi Farms’ CEO had previous experience working with tech start-ups in Silicon Valley, and with investor support, the company had raised over two million dollars in working capital. This was starting to seem like an interesting opportunity.

After a brief interview, HiFi Farms agreed to design an internship for me. I have spent the last three months working with the company’s compliance and regulatory department to understand how cannabis companies navigate the seemingly endless and ever-changing body of rules, laws, and regulations affecting the newly emerging industry. I have had the privilege to sit in on weekly team meetings, as well as meetings with HiFi’s outside legal counsel.

The cannabis law attorneys I’ve been introduced to tell me the practice is both challenging and rewarding. It is challenging in the fact that there are few established legal precedents, many unanswered questions, and conflicting interpretations of the law at state and federal levels. In many cases, cannabis attorneys cannot provide clients with firm resolutions. Instead, they offer opinions or suggestions on what to do as confusing legal situations arise. The reward comes in the sense of excitement derived from pioneering an uncharted field of law. Cannabis law is still in its infancy, and thus, each case represents a unique puzzle and has the potential to contribute to the larger body of legal knowledge in a meaningful way.

My experience at HiFi Farms has given me the rare opportunity to see the inner workings of a newly emerging industry. Over the past few months, I have gained exposure to cannabis-related legal issues such as: land and water usage, financial regulations, permit and packaging requirements, and the conflict between state and federal law. Yet, my most important discovery has been the openings this new field of law presents. The cannabis industry faces a vast array of unexplored legal issues and questions waiting to be explored.

Like any new industry, the cannabis industry will continue to need skilled attorneys to build a legal framework and help those in the business comply with state and federal regulations. As more and more states vote to decriminalize cannabis and as legalization measures continue to appear on state ballots, cannabis will continue to impact our society as an economic force. Not everyone needs to support the legalization of cannabis, but it is difficult to deny legalization has created and will continue to create economic opportunity for many people, including attorneys. Where others see risk, I see opportunity, especially for those who are able to rise above the negative stigma that still surrounds cannabis in the minds of many.

Last month, I helped host a fundraiser at HiFi Farms for the Oregon House Democrats. As I listened to elected officials speak about legalization and public policy to a room full of enthusiastic businesspeople and attorneys, it became clear to me how far the public perception surrounding cannabis has shifted and continues to shift. Over the next century, cannabis may very well enter our mainstream economy on a national scale. It is critical this transition is accompanied by sound legal and political decision-making.

To the Washington School of Law classroom I will bring unique experience and perspective to a newly emerging and rapidly expanding area of law and public policy. I am excited by the prospect of participating in the University of Washington’s Cannabis Law and Policy Project. I believe my experience working with one of Oregon's leading cannabis companies will allow me to contribute to this project, as well as the larger University of Washington Law School community, in a distinct and meaningful way.
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Postby grades?? » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:28 pm

Still no. Please just try another topic. This is not a good idea.

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Postby TakeItToTrial » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:31 pm

grades?? wrote:Still no. Please just try another topic. This is not a good idea.


Even for UW? They actually have a Cannabis Law and Policy Program.

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Postby grades?? » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:35 pm

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grades?? wrote:Still no. Please just try another topic. This is not a good idea.


Even for UW? They actually have a Cannabis Law and Policy Program.


I mean it seems risky. This will literally be no big deal once you are in school, but I would not try this to get into a school. Whether this is true or not, this just reads to me as you love the good ganja a little too much, and I would be afraid to admit you. Maybe you get away with it for UW, but literally no where else. Period.

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Postby Mr. Archer » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:57 pm

You've already been told it's risky, so I'll give some constructive feedback. The first sentence is actually misleading. It makes it sound like you work at a cannabis farm, like as a weed farmer, not for the the in-house counsel of a cannabis farm, which is not as cool as actually being a weed farmer. Also, it comes off like you just heard about a pot farm and wanted to work there without knowing anything about it first. The job only became better after finding out the company was legit and had a smart CEO. The first few paragraphs could be condensed. The information about the cannabis attorneys is interesting, but try expanding further on what you've learned from personal experience. You should scrap all of the fundraiser paragraph, except you should incorporate the last sentence into the previous paragraph. That might mean tweaking that paragraph, but that last sentence is good. The rest gets you back into focusing your PS on how people shouldn't dislike pot, instead of on legal experience in an emerging field that happens to be pot, which is probably the best way to frame things. Because the PS topic is unique, I think it's important to have a really strong ending. Right now it sounds like a standard "why x" paragraph. UW seems to be progressive and willing to embrace an emerging field, maybe throw out how you like that kind of forward thinking as opposed to playing catch-up once the field is mainstream, or something like that.

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Postby TakeItToTrial » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:25 pm

Mr. Archer wrote:You've already been told it's risky, so I'll give some constructive feedback. The first sentence is actually misleading. It makes it sound like you work at a cannabis farm, like as a weed farmer, not for the the in-house counsel of a cannabis farm, which is not as cool as actually being a weed farmer. Also, it comes off like you just heard about a pot farm and wanted to work there without knowing anything about it first. The job only became better after finding out the company was legit and had a smart CEO. The first few paragraphs could be condensed. The information about the cannabis attorneys is interesting, but try expanding further on what you've learned from personal experience. You should scrap all of the fundraiser paragraph, except you should incorporate the last sentence into the previous paragraph. That might mean tweaking that paragraph, but that last sentence is good. The rest gets you back into focusing your PS on how people shouldn't dislike pot, instead of on legal experience in an emerging field that happens to be pot, which is probably the best way to frame things. Because the PS topic is unique, I think it's important to have a really strong ending. Right now it sounds like a standard "why x" paragraph. UW seems to be progressive and willing to embrace an emerging field, maybe throw out how you like that kind of forward thinking as opposed to playing catch-up once the field is mainstream, or something like that.


Damn. This is some good feedback. Thank you. I actually do work for a weed farm btw. There are a couple of guys (non-lawyers) who handle the compliance aspect, but they farm out the difficult questions to outside counsel. The legal exposure is only part of the internship. The second part is helping a state representative who is pro-legalization. The third part is working for a cannabis sustainability group (cannabis cultivation uses A TON of water/electricity) so sustainability could be an issue if more states vote to legalize.

I've been wondering if there's any value in trying to use the two other aspects.

I'm definitely not trying to have it seem like I'm advocating for marijuana, but it's hard to sound enthusiastic about the internship without doing so.

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Postby TakeItToTrial » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:39 pm

grades?? wrote:
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grades?? wrote:Still no. Please just try another topic. This is not a good idea.


Even for UW? They actually have a Cannabis Law and Policy Program.


I mean it seems risky. This will literally be no big deal once you are in school, but I would not try this to get into a school. Whether this is true or not, this just reads to me as you love the good ganja a little too much, and I would be afraid to admit you. Maybe you get away with it for UW, but literally no where else. Period.


Yeah, I may need to use more neutral language in some places. Don't want to seem like I love the good ganja lol.

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Postby Mr. Archer » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:44 pm

NP. Ah, that makes more sense. It helps explain why the state rep. part is in there. Right now that part seems forced. I don't think you could focus on the water usage aspect. You might be able to explain that there are two main parts to the internship: legal exposure as in-house and political aspect, which sounds like lobbying. If you look at the paragraph that starts "like any new industry" and move it up in the statement, I think the tone and ideas are really what your statement gets at. Think about adding language with that tone towards the beginning to help focus your statement. Also, check the length of your PS right now and the UW requirements. The PS looks a touch long.

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Postby personofinterest » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:00 pm

TakeItToTrial wrote:
grades?? wrote:
TakeItToTrial wrote:
grades?? wrote:Still no. Please just try another topic. This is not a good idea.


Even for UW? They actually have a Cannabis Law and Policy Program.


I mean it seems risky. This will literally be no big deal once you are in school, but I would not try this to get into a school. Whether this is true or not, this just reads to me as you love the good ganja a little too much, and I would be afraid to admit you. Maybe you get away with it for UW, but literally no where else. Period.


Yeah, I may need to use more neutral language in some places. Don't want to seem like I love the good ganja lol.


UW is a totally fine place to use this PS. For everywhere else, write something completely different.

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Postby TakeItToTrial » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:16 pm

Mr. Archer wrote:NP. Ah, that makes more sense. It helps explain why the state rep. part is in there. Right now that part seems forced. I don't think you could focus on the water usage aspect. You might be able to explain that there are two main parts to the internship: legal exposure as in-house and political aspect, which sounds like lobbying. If you look at the paragraph that starts "like any new industry" and move it up in the statement, I think the tone and ideas are really what your statement gets at. Think about adding language with that tone towards the beginning to help focus your statement. Also, check the length of your PS right now and the UW requirements. The PS looks a touch long.


Okay, I think I'll take out the political part and write a new beginning/ending. It's about 650 words. It might look long because it's broken up into so many paragraphs

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Postby TakeItToTrial » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:18 pm

personofinterest wrote:
TakeItToTrial wrote:
grades?? wrote:
TakeItToTrial wrote:
grades?? wrote:Still no. Please just try another topic. This is not a good idea.


Even for UW? They actually have a Cannabis Law and Policy Program.


I mean it seems risky. This will literally be no big deal once you are in school, but I would not try this to get into a school. Whether this is true or not, this just reads to me as you love the good ganja a little too much, and I would be afraid to admit you. Maybe you get away with it for UW, but literally no where else. Period.


Yeah, I may need to use more neutral language in some places. Don't want to seem like I love the good ganja lol.


UW is a totally fine place to use this PS. For everywhere else, write something completely different.


Yeah, I agree. I'm just nervous because that's my 1st choice. I'm also a re-applicant. Rejected last cycle with an LSAT five points lower.

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Postby Mr. Archer » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:34 pm

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Mr. Archer wrote:NP. Ah, that makes more sense. It helps explain why the state rep. part is in there. Right now that part seems forced. I don't think you could focus on the water usage aspect. You might be able to explain that there are two main parts to the internship: legal exposure as in-house and political aspect, which sounds like lobbying. If you look at the paragraph that starts "like any new industry" and move it up in the statement, I think the tone and ideas are really what your statement gets at. Think about adding language with that tone towards the beginning to help focus your statement. Also, check the length of your PS right now and the UW requirements. The PS looks a touch long.


Okay, I think I'll take out the political part and write a new beginning/ending. It's about 650 words. It might look long because it's broken up into so many paragraphs


Fair enough. I'm not saying the political part can't be in there, especially now that you've said it's just really part of the internship. It's just that right now it sounds like a separate gig that's just tossed in.

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Postby PolicyWonk » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:45 pm

I actually have to disagree with most comments here. I thought this was an incredibly intriguing PS, and I think you made a very sound (and professional) case for why you have an interest in the field -- especially where you talk about this being an opportunity to "pioneer" a fresh branch of law. I do not get stoner from this.

Cannabis policy IS a growing and very complex legal area, which admissions officers/law professors would well know. I am certain they are professional enough -- and aware enough of a changing world -- to respect that, whatever their personal feelings on legalization. I don't think some other commenters are giving them enough credit in that regard. Keep in mind, academics at top institutions often get published by writing on these same difficult and cutting-edge topics.

Top schools want to turn out the people who will break barriers and lead in the great legal challenges of tomorrow. This one is coming.

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For the vast majority of people, a personal statement should be like your suit in an interview. It should be professional, well put together, and not do anything to rock the boat. The admissions process is primarily about LSAT and GPA. It would be a very rare circumstance where your personal statement can materially help. It probably can materially harm though, depending on the content. I think when writing a personal statement, rule #1 is: DO NO HARM. Admissions officers might be touched by your compelling narrative, but they get paid for medians. I just don't see any upside to writing about controversial topics in this context, but I do see lots of potential downside depending on the individuals evaluating it.
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Postby TakeItToTrial » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:57 pm

PolicyWonk wrote:I actually have to disagree with most comments here. I thought this was an incredibly intriguing PS, and I think you made a very sound (and professional) case for why you have an interest in the field -- especially where you talk about this being an opportunity to "pioneer" a fresh branch of law. I do not get stoner from this.

Cannabis policy IS a growing and very complex legal area, which admissions officers/law professors would well know. I am certain they are professional enough -- and aware enough of a changing world -- to respect that, whatever their personal feelings on legalization. I don't think some other commenters are giving them enough credit in that regard. Keep in mind, academics at top institutions often get published by writing on these same difficult and cutting-edge topics.

Top schools want to turn out the people who will break barriers and lead in the great legal challenges of tomorrow. This one is coming.


Thanks for reading. This is exactly how I was hoping it would be interpreted. However, as Mark says above, I think it could potentially go the other way as well. I think I'm going to revise it one more time and see what happens.

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Postby TakeItToTrial » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:59 pm

MarkinKansasCity wrote:For the vast majority of people, a personal statement should be like your suit in an interview. It should be professional, well put together, and not do anything to rock the boat. The admissions process is primarily about LSAT and GPA. It would be a very rare circumstance where your personal statement can materially help. It probably can materially harm though, depending on the content. I think when writing a personal statement, rule #1 is: DO NO HARM. Admissions officers might be touched by your compelling narrative, but they get paid for medians. I just don't see any upside to writing about controversial topics in this context, but I do see lots of potential downside depending on the individuals evaluating it.


Should I be nervous sending this to UW? I'm above median LSAT and above 25th GPA. They also have a Cannabis Law and Policy Program. UW is my first choice.

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MarkinKansasCity wrote:For the vast majority of people, a personal statement should be like your suit in an interview. It should be professional, well put together, and not do anything to rock the boat. The admissions process is primarily about LSAT and GPA. It would be a very rare circumstance where your personal statement can materially help. It probably can materially harm though, depending on the content. I think when writing a personal statement, rule #1 is: DO NO HARM. Admissions officers might be touched by your compelling narrative, but they get paid for medians. I just don't see any upside to writing about controversial topics in this context, but I do see lots of potential downside depending on the individuals evaluating it.


Should I be nervous sending this to UW? I'm above median LSAT and above 25th GPA. They also have a Cannabis Law and Policy Program. UW is my first choice.


I didn't know they were actually teaching Cannibis Law there, and that does change the dynamic somewhat. My screed above was partially directed at you, and partially directed at any 0Ls who wander into this thread wondering if they should do something like this. Personally, I am just too risk averse to chance something like this. I think the way you've written it is fine, although I'm also sure you'll revise it another 50 times just like everyone else. My primary concern is only about subject matter. With respect to UW and their program, it might make sense. I would be really cautious when considering whether to include it in other applications though.
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Postby personofinterest » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:36 pm

MarkinKansasCity wrote:
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MarkinKansasCity wrote:For the vast majority of people, a personal statement should be like your suit in an interview. It should be professional, well put together, and not do anything to rock the boat. The admissions process is primarily about LSAT and GPA. It would be a very rare circumstance where your personal statement can materially help. It probably can materially harm though, depending on the content. I think when writing a personal statement, rule #1 is: DO NO HARM. Admissions officers might be touched by your compelling narrative, but they get paid for medians. I just don't see any upside to writing about controversial topics in this context, but I do see lots of potential downside depending on the individuals evaluating it.


Should I be nervous sending this to UW? I'm above median LSAT and above 25th GPA. They also have a Cannabis Law and Policy Program. UW is my first choice.


I didn't know they were actually teaching Cannibis Law there, and that does change the dynamic somewhat. My screed above was partially directed at you, and partially directed at any 0Ls who wander into this thread wondering if they should do something like this. Personally, I am just too risk averse to chance something like this. I think the way you've written it is fine, although I'm also sure you'll revise it another 50 times just like everyone else. My primary concern is only about subject matter. With respect to UW and their program, it might make sense. I would be really cautious when considering whether to include it in other applications though.


I agree with Mark. This is the collective wisdom from TLS. Don't try to be edgy with your PS. UW has the CLPP, so it should be fine to use it there. No amount of tweaking will make it work for other schools. The subject matter is the problem.

It sounds like you really want to use it as a PS, and you just want someone to say it is OK. Someone (with only one post ever) said it was fine to use. If you want to shoot yourself in the foot, go ahead and do it. You will probably still get into some law schools. It is still a bad idea, and you should write a PS that doesn't involve federal crimes.

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Postby personofinterest » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:40 pm

PolicyWonk wrote:I actually have to disagree with most comments here. I thought this was an incredibly intriguing PS, and I think you made a very sound (and professional) case for why you have an interest in the field -- especially where you talk about this being an opportunity to "pioneer" a fresh branch of law. I do not get stoner from this.

Cannabis policy IS a growing and very complex legal area, which admissions officers/law professors would well know. I am certain they are professional enough -- and aware enough of a changing world -- to respect that, whatever their personal feelings on legalization. I don't think some other commenters are giving them enough credit in that regard. Keep in mind, academics at top institutions often get published by writing on these same difficult and cutting-edge topics.

Top schools want to turn out the people who will break barriers and lead in the great legal challenges of tomorrow. This one is coming.


This is very poor advice. Future TLSers, don't follow this. You are not a special snowflake in the eyes of an adcomm (unless have a Nobel prize or ultra rich parents). A PS won't get you into schools, but it could easily prevent you from getting in.

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MarkinKansasCity wrote:
TakeItToTrial wrote:
MarkinKansasCity wrote:For the vast majority of people, a personal statement should be like your suit in an interview. It should be professional, well put together, and not do anything to rock the boat. The admissions process is primarily about LSAT and GPA. It would be a very rare circumstance where your personal statement can materially help. It probably can materially harm though, depending on the content. I think when writing a personal statement, rule #1 is: DO NO HARM. Admissions officers might be touched by your compelling narrative, but they get paid for medians. I just don't see any upside to writing about controversial topics in this context, but I do see lots of potential downside depending on the individuals evaluating it.


Should I be nervous sending this to UW? I'm above median LSAT and above 25th GPA. They also have a Cannabis Law and Policy Program. UW is my first choice.


I didn't know they were actually teaching Cannibis Law there, and that does change the dynamic somewhat. My screed above was partially directed at you, and partially directed at any 0Ls who wander into this thread wondering if they should do something like this. Personally, I am just too risk averse to chance something like this. I think the way you've written it is fine, although I'm also sure you'll revise it another 50 times just like everyone else. My primary concern is only about subject matter. With respect to UW and their program, it might make sense. I would be really cautious when considering whether to include it in other applications though.


I agree with Mark. This is the collective wisdom from TLS. Don't try to be edgy with your PS. UW has the CLPP, so it should be fine to use it there. No amount of tweaking will make it work for other schools. The subject matter is the problem.

It sounds like you really want to use it as a PS, and you just want someone to say it is OK. Someone (with only one post ever) said it was fine to use. If you want to shoot yourself in the foot, go ahead and do it. You will probably still get into some law schools. It is still a bad idea, and you should write a PS that doesn't involve federal crimes.


I would like to use it, yes. I think it's well-written and unique. (Yes, I am biased) Also, UW specifically asks you to write about how you will contribute to the larger student body/community, not why you want to go to law school or why you're a good candidate. I think this PS answers their prompt effectively.

I am worried because it's a risky topic and I already have two alcohol-related offenses on my record, (clean record otherwise) and I'm worried this PS combined with my record could give off a party animal vibe.

Edit: The alcohol-related offenses occurred in 2009 and 2011.



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