Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby galnt11 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:40 am

You'll be easy to defeat in court.


And if you disagree you're a liar.


"Your honor, they're all liars. I rest my case."

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby ymmv » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:40 am

coffee4closers wrote:
fats provolone wrote:
coffee4closers wrote:At 16, with barely any hair on my balls

definitely not italian


Made up for it with the chest flow.


Baby got back (hair).

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby RZ5646 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:43 am

TheUnicornHunter wrote:
http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/profile.htm

Check out that link. It's basically a comprehensive list of things law schools care about. Which european country your ancestors came from is nowhere to be found.


Also note though that outside of Yale and Stanford almost all of those things will be negligible. YS get to pick special snowflakes; everyone else just fights for people with high numbers.

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby bluchai » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:48 am

The part about your grandmother's homemade cuisine left me in ire.

No one cares.

I'm not (completely) white but talking about my mother's homemade cuisine won't leave people touched either.

I read the whole thing, and was left not caring.

It was boring.

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby coffee4closers » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:51 am

[/quote]
Just like if you were applying to Juilliard and if they gave you an option to write a diversity statement and you wrote about being a Broadway performer as a child, that would not be diverse for their applicant pool.[/quote]

So if you're not white you're an anomaly to law schools. Now that was the definition of diversity I've been looking for.


In all honestly, I probably won't submit now :cry: someone mentioned earlier I don't need too because I'm white. Now I feel like its bs than URMs have to write diversity statements while I don't have too; unfair to place more admission burdens on them and not privileged me.


*cannoli is already in plural form. and g-ma makes dank cannoli.

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby kjartan » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:11 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
fats provolone wrote:uh is no one going to mention that italians are in fact stereotypically lazy

TBH, I was thinking of the Jersey guido stereotype myself.

Yup, Italians are pretty worthless.

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby UnicornHunter » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:12 am

Mob family for sure

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby illegally_blonde » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:11 am

Gay, lived in a commie country where homosex was illegal, first generation American, previously resided in both Europe and Asia, speak five languages (guido schprach included). Did not write diversity statement.

White middle class dude from NY (NJ?), probably doesn't speak Italian. Does write diversity statement.

Good, gooooooood... Let the self-righteousness and self-entitled-ness flow through you. You send that statement and increase my chances of being accepted, young Skywalker.

Also this
coffee4closers wrote:
..the fact that WASPs enslaved an entire race of people for 250 years as well discriminating against those people and every other ethnicity that came to America (Irish, italian, chinese, german, japanese, jewish and today-hispanics).


Lol. Kingdom of Italy engaged in a genocide in Ethiopia and Libya (way after the Emancipation Proclamation was passed) and created fascism (Ciao, duce?).
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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby hill1334 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:27 am

coffee4closers wrote:This is an optional diversity statement, not a personal statement. This would be a crap personal statement.

Italian-Americans are unique in the fact that they were the fastest ethnic group in American history to achieve prosperity. Not Germans, not Irish, not Asians, not Hispanics, etc. After peak levels of immigration between 1880-1920, by 1970, one generation later, Italian-Americans surpassed national averages in income, education, business, marriage without divorce, etc.

What does law school admissions "diversity" mean then?
To me it meant URMs overcoming adversity with great obstacle(admirable beyond comprehension), while at the same time meaning non-URMs who didn't take for granted the opportunities their family provided (family, not skin color) and excelling/building upon those foundations. I believe these two parties, who are at opposite ends of the spectrum are cut from the same cloth and compliment each other. Despite the class distinctions the liberal rhetoric in these comments make.

The undertones in these comments peg me as 'whitey' @sshole who doesn't know how good he had it. But after extensive revisions I will be submitting. I believe I'm diverse to law schools because I exude virtues from a culture that is ambitious and never satisfied to be content; I don't see this in most of America's white and non-white cultures. And if you disagree you're a liar.


There is a somewhat thin line between cultural pride and supremacism. Based on your personal statement and, in particular, your comments in your final paragraph above, I get the impression that you might tend towards the wrong side of that line. I obviously don't know you well enough to really judge one way or the other, but is that really an idea you want to be giving an ad comm?

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby encore1101 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:26 am

coffee4closers wrote:
encore1101 wrote:Lol @ the whole "I was a pro Cub Scout!" blurb. Nobody gives a shit.

ETA: How about this. Aside from anecdotal, ethnocentric pride, why not include some statistics or research that shows Italian-Americans are so much more hardworking than WASPs?


..the fact that WASPs enslaved an entire race of people for 250 years as well discriminating against those people and every other ethnicity that came to America (Irish, italian, chinese, german, japanese, jewish and today-hispanics). I already stated I-A's surpassed every pertinent national average within a generation. Do you have the percentages for the WASPs living in poverty today as compared to Italian-Americans? 80% of Italian immigrants came from poor rural southern Italy not the rich high-class North Italy.


See here's the thing that you fail to comprehend. A diversity statement needs to show why the individual is diverse, more than just "part of some recognizable group."

coffee4closers wrote: I already stated I-A's surpassed every pertinent national average within a generation. Do you have the percentages for the WASPs living in poverty today as compared to Italian-Americans?


You already stated that? So the fuck what? Come back when you actually have some numbers to back it up. Just stating something doesn't make it so. And I don't have to provide any percentages because you're the one making the claim. See, junior, in the legal world, the person who makes the claim has to support it. Otherwise, " "Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur."

coffee4closers wrote: And I could care less what you think about the Scouts. At 16, with barely any hair on my balls, I saved a man's life from potentially bleeding out on the highway thanks to the medical skills I learned in scouting. I hope you're never in the same situation.


No, I just joined the Marines and went to Iraq where I defused Improvised Explosive Devices, got concussions when the IEDs would blow up our vehicle, and got shot at by snipers and AK-47s.
I didn't submit a Diversity statement, even though I'm Asian-American, born from first-generation immigrants, and grew up in a neighborhood that is 90% hispanic.

But yeah, cool Cub Scout story, bro.

P.S. Incidentally, the phrase is "I couldn't care less."

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby enoca » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:48 am

coffee4closers wrote: After peak levels of immigration between 1880-1920, by 1970, one generation later, Italian-Americans surpassed national averages in income, education, business, marriage without divorce, etc.


You don't seem to know how long a generation is. Hint: less than 90 years.

coffee4closers wrote:
..the fact that WASPs enslaved an entire race of people for 250 years as well discriminating against those people and every other ethnicity that came to America (Irish, italian, chinese, german, japanese, jewish and today-hispanics).


Slavery was pioneered in the Americas by an Italian.

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby Gefuehlsecht » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:00 am

coffee4closers wrote:You'll be easy to defeat in court.


Good grief, man. Seriously?

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby ChemEng1642 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:39 am

RZ5646 wrote:Complete list of white people who may submit diversity statements without it hurting them:
-- homosexuals, bisexuals, and transsexuals
-- those missing one or more limbs
-- those with other physical handicaps like blindness, deafness, paralysis, etc.
-- dwarves
-- recovering drug addicts (but it can't be something mundane like alcohol, cocaine, or tobacco... has to be heroin, meth, crack, etc.)
-- members of minority religions (but only if you can spin a story about how your faith made you oppressed in some way, and no, atheism doesn't count as a minority religion unless you were actually raised inside a cult or theocracy)
-- war refugees and other immigrants who can spin a good story
-- those with significant time spent living abroad (5+ years) - once again, this requires a good story about why it makes you special
-- survivors of well-known, usually fatal illnesses like cancer

Being low income or a first generation college student doesn't matter unless you were literally raised by illiterate hunter-gatherers in a cave.

Did I miss anything?


I would add "a specialty occupation" to this list. At least that's what I wrote mine about.

As for this DS: I'm not even going to bother commenting on it because I don't really want to beat a dead horse...

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby rinkrat19 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:06 pm

enoca wrote:..the fact that WASPs enslaved an entire race of people for 250 years as well discriminating against those people and every other ethnicity that came to America (Irish, italian, chinese, german, japanese, jewish and today-hispanics).


Slavery was pioneered in the Americas by an Italian.[/quote]See also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Rome.

Took a lot of unpaid labor to build that empire.

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby rinkrat19 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:07 pm

enoca wrote:Slavery was pioneered in the Americas by an Italian.
See also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Rome.

Took a lot of unpaid labor to build that empire.

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby bjsesq » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:19 pm

Better diversity statement for an italian american.




As the Bakkan oil fields have continued to drive economic growth, they have also exposed a staggering lack of infrastructure in Western North Dakota. Burnt cars in ditches, sexually assaulted women, and muddy shanty towns are the side effects of this drive for petroleum.

"There has got to be a better way," I thought. As I looked around my family reunion, full of proud italian people, a thought struck me. Two weeks later, I had produced a large non-profit competitor for earth raping oil companies in western North Dakota. I began wringing out my family members' pillow cases into a sifter that sorted the hair and wife beaters from the valuable oil. In the first year of operation, we produced nearly 1 million barrels of crude and saved roughly $250,000 in my family's yearly bed purchases.

Is that diverse? I don't know. But as I sit eating this gabba-goo, it occurs to me that we as italians bring a richness of experience that is sorely needed in contemporary america, and the legal profession in particular. There is a sort of gravity to the work a young man produces in the legal field when his slampiece won't give him the nook-nook until he produces something of substance. This is why you need us. Perspective.

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby Chill_Out » Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:01 pm

coffee4closers wrote:I'd like to here opinions and or suggestions for the diversity statement I've written, and whether I should send it despite not being a URM.I decided to do a diversity statement because I believe I am diverse, and don't agree with the reverse discrimination I face today based off the historical actions of anglo-saxons of whom I have no ties with. I grew up around affluent white kids who had every opportunity at their fingers and didn't grasp them; I did and more. But thats PS this is DS.

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To answer your question, no you should not submit this diversity statement. Others in this thread have provided many good reasons, so I won't add anything else to the conversation.

Also, based on the way you described your personal statement (and your poor understanding of privelege), it is likely that you may need to re-write it.

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby RZ5646 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:58 pm

Retake.
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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby encore1101 » Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:47 am

RZ5646 wrote:
encore1101 wrote:I didn't submit a Diversity statement, even though I'm Asian-American


Being Asian is a negative from a diversity standpoint.


... which is why I didn't write a diversity statement, Captain Obvious...

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby ymmv » Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:50 am

encore1101 wrote:
RZ5646 wrote:
encore1101 wrote:I didn't submit a Diversity statement, even though I'm Asian-American


Being Asian is a negative from a diversity standpoint.


... which is why I didn't write a diversity statement..


Do you understand what the phrase "even though" means, azn bro?

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby hdunlop » Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:11 am

bjsesq wrote:Better diversity statement for an italian american.




As the Bakkan oil fields have continued to drive economic growth, they have also exposed a staggering lack of infrastructure in Western North Dakota. Burnt cars in ditches, sexually assaulted women, and muddy shanty towns are the side effects of this drive for petroleum.

"There has got to be a better way," I thought. As I looked around my family reunion, full of proud italian people, a thought struck me. Two weeks later, I had produced a large non-profit competitor for earth raping oil companies in western North Dakota. I began wringing out my family members' pillow cases into a sifter that sorted the hair and wife beaters from the valuable oil. In the first year of operation, we produced nearly 1 million barrels of crude and saved roughly $250,000 in my family's yearly bed purchases.

Is that diverse? I don't know. But as I sit eating this gabba-goo, it occurs to me that we as italians bring a richness of experience that is sorely needed in contemporary america, and the legal profession in particular. There is a sort of gravity to the work a young man produces in the legal field when his slampiece won't give him the nook-nook until he produces something of substance. This is why you need us. Perspective.


thread peak, right here.

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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby RZ5646 » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:23 pm

Retake.
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Re: Should I try to submit this diversity statement? I'm white.

Postby 3|ink » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:57 pm

My german ancestors were enslaved my the Romans.

/end diversity statement




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