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Addendum Advice

Postby Kess » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:07 pm

So I've heard of people writing addendums explaining a discrepancy between their poor LSAT score and high GPA. I have this. I also had crappy SAT score, but still went on to get a nearly perfect GPA in college. Worth mentioning?

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby CanadianWolf » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:13 pm

Yes.

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby Kess » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:36 pm

How do people usually go about this? Do I contact collegeboard and get a print out of my SAT score?

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby MrAnon » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:44 pm

no! Earning a high GPA in college is not very difficult. At lower tier colleges it is easy to rise to the top. At better schools you get grade inflation like crazy for everyone. Virtually everyone at colleges with easy admissions have low SAT and better GPAs in college. I mean, they have to right?

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby Kess » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:53 pm

MrAnon wrote:no! Earning a high GPA in college is not very difficult. At lower tier colleges it is easy to rise to the top. At better schools you get grade inflation like crazy for everyone. Virtually everyone at colleges with easy admissions have low SAT and better GPAs in college. I mean, they have to right?


I don't know if they have to. I went to a competitive high school and had strong GPA there too, but an average SAT score (1180/1600). My public college is decent and according to the transcript posted on LSAC, only 6% of all students have a GPA in my range.

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby MrAnon » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:00 am

So what is the point of this addendum? I made a low SAT in college but I got a high GPA, therefore I made a low LSAT but will make a high GPA in law school? Really, truly, the schools do not care. I mean, its nice that you point it out, but they are only going to admit you if you fit into their LSAT/GPA matrix, or if you don't then you must be a URM to be admitted. That's how it works, no exceptions, ever. Really.

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby Kess » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:04 am

I agree with you that they probably don't care, but do they also care when people have a crappy GPA because of one crappy semester? They probably don't, but people include those kind of addendums.

But anyway, thanks for the opinion, that's why I was asking if it's worth including.

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby MrAnon » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:12 am

Honestly I don't think they read anything anyone writes. I exaggerate a little, but not too much, because it doesn't matter much. The whole admissions process is very mechanical--If you are not URM it is all based on final GPA and LSAT. Of course they have to design an application and suggest addendums and why x school essays so that it looks like they are doing something in their administrative offices all year. In the end everybody has a bad semester because their grandma died, dog died, boyfriend dumped them, or were high as a kite before they got their priorities in order. No reason to apologize for it or explain yourself if you are an adult, that's my view.

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby kublaikahn » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:32 pm

based on your post your GPA is 94th percentile. What percentile is your LSAT? If it comes in at 88% I would say they are near the same band. But if it is 75th percentile it should be worth explaining.

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby Palavra » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:40 pm

The admissions lady from Berkeley told us to write an addendum to explain any discrepancy. She also wanted told us to write one if we had a high GPA but a low SAT score. I don't know how much it actually matters but that's what she said.





Kess wrote:So I've heard of people writing addendums explaining a discrepancy between their poor LSAT score and high GPA. I have this. I also had crappy SAT score, but still went on to get a nearly perfect GPA in college. Worth mentioning?

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby Kess » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:53 pm

kublaikahn wrote:based on your post your GPA is 94th percentile. What percentile is your LSAT? If it comes in at 88% I would say they are near the same band. But if it is 75th percentile it should be worth explaining.


My LSAT is at a terrible percentile. 64th =(

Palavra wrote:The admissions lady from Berkeley told us to write an addendum to explain any discrepancy. She also wanted told us to write one if we had a high GPA but a low SAT score. I don't know how much it actually matters but that's what she said.


Thanks

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby theadvancededit » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:53 am

Kess wrote:
kublaikahn wrote:based on your post your GPA is 94th percentile. What percentile is your LSAT? If it comes in at 88% I would say they are near the same band. But if it is 75th percentile it should be worth explaining.


My LSAT is at a terrible percentile. 64th =(

Palavra wrote:The admissions lady from Berkeley told us to write an addendum to explain any discrepancy. She also wanted told us to write one if we had a high GPA but a low SAT score. I don't know how much it actually matters but that's what she said.


Thanks


I would write one. Talking about your SAT score is one way to illustrate this example, but you don't have to provide extra documentation.

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby Kess » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:00 pm

theadvancededit wrote:
Kess wrote:
kublaikahn wrote:based on your post your GPA is 94th percentile. What percentile is your LSAT? If it comes in at 88% I would say they are near the same band. But if it is 75th percentile it should be worth explaining.


My LSAT is at a terrible percentile. 64th =(

Palavra wrote:The admissions lady from Berkeley told us to write an addendum to explain any discrepancy. She also wanted told us to write one if we had a high GPA but a low SAT score. I don't know how much it actually matters but that's what she said.


Thanks


I would write one. Talking about your SAT score is one way to illustrate this example, but you don't have to provide extra documentation.


Thanks, I think I will. I am going to see if I can find some documentation though.

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby JamMasterJ » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:05 pm

1180 isn't low enough to be worth mentioning. If it was like 800, then maybe, but that's really not that bad.

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby kublaikahn » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:32 pm

JamMasterJ wrote:1180 isn't low enough to be worth mentioning. If it was like 800, then maybe, but that's really not that bad.


1180 type scores only warrant mentioning if you have something to contrast them with. High grades from a grade mill may not be enough. But if you have LOR's mentioning that you are the best student a professor has ever had, specific awards like winning a national engineering competition, etc., then you can show how even an 1180 is a poor indicator of your future performance.

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby JamMasterJ » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:34 pm

kublaikahn wrote:
JamMasterJ wrote:1180 isn't low enough to be worth mentioning. If it was like 800, then maybe, but that's really not that bad.


1180 type scores only warrant mentioning if you have something to contrast them with. High grades from a grade mill may not be enough. But if you have LOR's mentioning that you are the best student a professor has ever had, specific awards like winning a national engineering competition, etc., then you can show how even an 1180 is a poor indicator of your future performance.

even still, a 1180 isn't that bad

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby Kess » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:35 pm

You don't think it's sort of similar to a 155 on the LSAT? I am trying to find a table of SAT percentiles but can't find it.

I am really trying to make a case of the fact that I can do better than standardized tests may say of me (My 3.9 UGPA/4.0 LSAC GPA puts me in the top 5% of my class), but I don't want to make myself look stupid in trying to prove this.

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby kublaikahn » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:03 pm

JamMasterJ wrote:
kublaikahn wrote:
JamMasterJ wrote:1180 isn't low enough to be worth mentioning. If it was like 800, then maybe, but that's really not that bad.


1180 type scores only warrant mentioning if you have something to contrast them with. High grades from a grade mill may not be enough. But if you have LOR's mentioning that you are the best student a professor has ever had, specific awards like winning a national engineering competition, etc., then you can show how even an 1180 is a poor indicator of your future performance.

even still, a 1180 isn't that bad


Right. That's what I am saying. Most college coursework today is set up such that someone who studies hard can get close to a 4.0, even if they are in the 1000-1200 range in terms of intellect. However, some very exceptional people do test poorly. If that is the case, the proof must lie in more than the GPA.

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby Kess » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:15 pm

kublaikahn wrote:
Right. That's what I am saying. Most college coursework today is set up such that someone who studies hard can get close to a 4.0, even if they are in the 1000-1200 range in terms of intellect. However, some very exceptional people do test poorly. If that is the case, the proof must lie in more than the GPA.


Well, I know that I have some strong letters of recommendation but I don't think that is something I can refer to- considering the fact that I had waived my right to see them.

As for awards, I had a scholarship for being in the top 10% in my high school class and won some essay contests here and there while in UG. I never entered any overly ambitious/ time consuming competitions, so obviously I've never won any. Ah, the luxuries of working to finance your UG experience. :?

I guess I have no alternate proof to speak of.

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby kublaikahn » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:28 pm

Kess wrote:
kublaikahn wrote:
Right. That's what I am saying. Most college coursework today is set up such that someone who studies hard can get close to a 4.0, even if they are in the 1000-1200 range in terms of intellect. However, some very exceptional people do test poorly. If that is the case, the proof must lie in more than the GPA.


Well, I know that I have some strong letters of recommendation but I don't think that is something I can refer to- considering the fact that I had waived my right to see them.

As for awards, I had a scholarship for being in the top 10% in my high school class and won some essay contests here and there while in UG. I never entered any overly ambitious/ time consuming competitions, so obviously I've never won any. Ah, the luxuries of working to finance your UG experience. :?

I guess I have no alternate proof to speak of.


That is a compelling application. If you can retake and score about a 165 you should have some very good options.

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby moneybagsphd » Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:17 pm

I'm confused. Why are we talking about the SAT? Law schools care about your LSAT score, pretty sure they don't even see your SAT score... Maybe I'm wrong?

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby Kess » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:05 pm

Law schools do not see your SAT score. My adviser is recommending that I write one to say something to the effect of that standardized tests do not reflect my academic potential. In other words, that my average SAT score was not predictive of my success in college and the my average LSAT score is not likely to be predictive of my success at law school. Yes, I am fully aware of how lame this sounds.

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby Its Always Sunny » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:16 pm

Your SAT is 75th percentile or so and your LSAT is 64th percentile. If you used that as proof I would assume that either you didn't study as hard for the LSAT as your SAT or you are worse at logic than math/reading. Your standardized test history is not that bad.

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby Kess » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:26 pm

Its Always Sunny wrote:Your SAT is 75th percentile or so and your LSAT is 64th percentile. If you used that as proof I would assume that either you didn't study as hard for the LSAT as your SAT or you are worse at logic than math/reading. Your standardized test history is not that bad.


That's a very reasonable assumption, but not true. I studied a lot more for the LSAT than I did for the SAT. For the LSAT, I took a full Testmasters course (did all the homework) and after it was over, I did about 25 full length exams and went over them. For the SAT, I studied for about 3 weeks out of a Kaplan book.

My best section on the LSAT was logic games. I averaged -2. (MY PT test average was about 159-160. but I screwed up the logic games section a bit this time around and had a -5) While math was definitely my strong suit on the SAT, I was pretty terrible at reading comp for both the SAT and the LSAT.

I think one thing that can account for different percentiles are the different demographics of those who take the exams. Almost every high school student takes the SATs, but generally people with specific aspirations take the LSAT.

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Re: Addendum Advice

Postby Its Always Sunny » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:33 pm

You should have the same aspirations though of people currently taking the LSAT also. I'm just saying if you had a 4.0 being top of your class and stuff and a 800 on the SAT and a 149 on the LSAT you would have a claim. It just seems like the logic that the LSAT tests is not your strongpoint since you have performed better on other standardized tests.




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